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Oppositional Defiance Disorder

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Alex was officially diagnosed with "Oppositional Defiance Disorder,"
which is defined as a disorder including symptoms such as often losing
one's temper, arguing with adults, actively defying or refusing to comply
with adults' requests, deliberately annoying people, blaming others for
mistakes, being touchy or easily annoyed, and often being spiteful,
vindictive, or angry.
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Oppositional Defiance Disorder

Oooh! :wink:
I bet there's more than a few users here that suffer from this disorder.
 
All those symptoms sound like the normal symptoms of being a teenager to me. I was one myself once and now am father to two of them so I think I ought to know. If anyone has a "disorder" it is the parents who are delusional enough to think that their children ought to be nice perfect little robots
 
There is the consistant patternpart of the disoredr, most teenagers are whiny because thier bodies are changing. But they tend to comply with thier parents.

Point of order as an adult it becomes Anti Social Personality Disorder.
 
Dancing David said:
There is the consistant patternpart of the disoredr, most teenagers are whiny because thier bodies are changing. But they tend to comply with thier parents.

Point of order as an adult it becomes Anti Social Personality Disorder.
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I find it very dificult, sometimes impossible, to get my 13 year old to comply with me. I don't think she has a disorder, just a stubborn personality. Though it drives me nuts, I kind of admire her for it.

I think I would be doing her a disservice and abrogating my job as a parent to decide that she ahs a disorder. Instead it is my job to teach her to channel that stubborness into appropriate behavior. It's not easy but nothing worthwhile ever is.
 
Nyarlathotep said:
All those symptoms sound like the normal symptoms of being a teenager to me. I was one myself once and now am father to two of them so I think I ought to know. If anyone has a "disorder" it is the parents who are delusional enough to think that their children ought to be nice perfect little robots
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What seems appalling here is that the boy was sent from Vermont to a "mormon boot camp" in Utah. How can Vermont social services carry out any kind of supervision over the establishment, or the boy.

If he had been guilty of persistent criminal behaviour then I suppose some sort of case for moving him 2000miles of so could be made out. But there is no suggestion of that.
 
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What seems appalling here is that the boy was sent from Vermont to a "mormon boot camp" in Utah. How can Vermont social services carry out any kind of supervision over the establishment, or the boy.

If he had been guilty of persistent criminal behaviour then I suppose some sort of case for moving him 2000miles of so could be made out. But there is no suggestion of that.
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I can't think of the circumstances that would ever lead me to even consider consider sending any of my children 2000 miles away. It's not even a matter of social serices, it's a matter of how could I, myself, monitor what they were doing to my child. I know I certainly wouldn't do it simply because my kid vaguely seemed to have a problem with authority. Like I said, I think it's just a normal part of being a teenager.
 
Nyarlathotep said:


I find it very dificult, sometimes impossible, to get my 13 year old to comply with me. I don't think she has a disorder, just a stubborn personality. Though it drives me nuts, I kind of admire her for it.

I think I would be doing her a disservice and abrogating my job as a parent to decide that she ahs a disorder. Instead it is my job to teach her to channel that stubborness into appropriate behavior. It's not easy but nothing worthwhile ever is.
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I may have a different view of what constitutes compliance, at that age you hope thatthey eat and bath regularly and do thier school work.

Non compliant children usually starts setting fires in the household, staying out all night and having beer parties.

I was blessed my daughter was usually cooperative, but then she knew where the limits were and never pushed them.
 
Nyarlathotep said:


I can't think of the circumstances that would ever lead me to even consider consider sending any of my children 2000 miles away. It's not even a matter of social serices, it's a matter of how could I, myself, monitor what they were doing to my child.

My reference to social services was prompted by the news report which seemed to suggest the agency had simply acted as a "hired hand" in shipping the kid across country. In the UK, as far as I am aware the child protection people would have to assume legal responsibility for a child before taking them off to a special school. So it is not clear to me if anyone has legal reponsibility for the child's welfare other than parents who are happy to see him sent to the other side of the country.


I know I certainly wouldn't do it simply because my kid vaguely seemed to have a problem with authority. Like I said, I think it's just a normal part of being a teenager.
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It's more complicated than that.

There are in some papers (that seem decent, but it's not my subject) a correlation between ADHD children and ODD teens.

I've known two people who had children who demonstrated what was diagnosed as ODD. Both were MUCH worse than the usual teenager, and often seemed to be "out of control", knowing it, and seeming to be unable to do much about it.

Both were ADHD children, too. One "treated" and one not.

But except for the mention of papers that one of the parents had assembled, this is all anecdote, of course.

I've got a teenager, too.
 
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