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open letter to james randi

yellowbamboo

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Open letter to James Randi


Please be advised that in your
latest weekly commentary 26 September 2003
there are quite a number of innaccuracies.

Since we believe you are sincere in your efforts
we would like to point just a few of the
many wrong points you raise.


1. You claim that your representative
Mr Joko Tri from Java did not follow
the protocol correctly.

"Just recall that my protocol required that
Mr. Joko Tri simply walk up and "tap" their "superman"
Nyoman Serengen on the leg with a small bamboo stick,
which was not the protocol followed, for some reason or other"


This again is incorrect.
We refer to our contract which has your
notarized signature of 15 August 2003.



a) No where does it specify how fast Mr Tri
was to approach Mr Serengen. Mr Tri
was walking towards Mr Serengen rapidly
but our contract does not specify a speed.


b) The contract states ".... and is not
required to actually contact Mr Serengen
except by attempting to gently tap him
with a piece of bamboo..."

i. No where does it specify the size of the
piece of bamboo.

ii. Since Mr Tri did not actually tap
Mr Serengen you have no way of knowing
if his intention was to tap Mr Serengen lightly
or not. As you have previously stated
there is no scientific way to know someones
intention.


2. You claim we have been trying to get you to
rush off to bali- in fact previous to this
email to you today we have only emailed you one
time since 14 September 2003. In that email we
simply asked you to give us an idea when you
might be coming as Dr Alvin has plans to travel
for business and would need plenty of notice
to be sure to be here to coincide with your
being here.

There is no rush or pressure to get you here
at any certain date.


3. The bottom line is this- Your representative
was knocked down by Mr Serengen and this was witnessed
by an independent journalist. There is
no dispute to this.

We realize that sicne we are the first to pass the
preliminary test and become claimants this must
be very distressing to you. Of course when we are to actually
win the prize this would ruin your gig but this is the
risk you took when you offered the prize.

There is no rush on our part to go forward but we would
ask you to proceed in a professional, accurate and fair manner
with no acrimony on either part.

We realized that your attitude towards us has been in part because
you probably get so many false claims daily it is very irritating.
But now the deal has changed. We are the first ever group to
pass your first step and as such we would respectfully request
you to accord us the same level of respect we give to you.

We would like to have a professional, harmonious and respectful
relationshipo with you and respectfully request you to endeavor
to do the same.

Sincerely,

Yellow Bamboo Society
 
An Open Letter To The Usual YB Suspects

Why wasn't Joko even running at Serengen? He was running off to the side, and he still could have whacked the man good and proper as he fell, if he hadn't aimed the staff to the side.

Why was Joko using a heavy staff with an overhand motion, rather than the specified wand with a horizontal motion? I'm not totally unfamiliar with staff fighting, and the technique Joko was using is not one you would use to attack someone's leg. Nor is the weapon one you would use for hitting a human being you didn't plan to injure seriously.

Why have you jokers made a press release claiming to have won the prize (false), and also claiming that a subsequent test by Fraser from rec.martial-arts was the final test for the million (false)?

Why did Serengen then duck out of being tested by Fraser? Fraser is indubitably not a Yellow Bamboo stooge, and would not have consented to take a choreographed dive. Is this why Serengen was hiding?
 
And where is the reporter? And what does he have to say about the "test"? Apparently not much.
 
Why have you jokers made a press release claiming to have won the prize (false), and also claiming that a subsequent test by Fraser from rec.martial-arts was the final test for the million (false)?


WHOA there cowboy!

A if you read the release it clearly states we now are claimants.

B) We have NEVER claimed a subsequent test by fraser and I challenge you here and now to show where this claim is
posted.



Why did Serengen then duck out of being tested by Fraser? Fraser is indubitably not a Yellow Bamboo stooge, and would not have consented to take a choreographed dive. Is this why Serengen was hiding?


Actually fraser was given details of capt sudi who would have gladly taken him to meet serengen. YOu would have to ask him why he didnt want to go.

Also - We have not gotten any contract from randi saying fraser was his authorized rep. We got a contract from randi saying joko tri was his authorized rep.




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And where is the reporter? And what does he have to say about the "test"? Apparently not much.



Randi has been given the contact details of the reporter his name is sustawa (sp?) and he is a reporter with radio republik indonesia in singaraja- call directory assisatance, get the phonbe number and call him yerself :-)


YBS
 
Yellowbamboo, some questions, please:

1) Is the 12-second video referenced by this website that was sent to Randi the ONLY piece of video or photographic evidence available of the "trial" by Joko Tri? Did the reporter, whatever his name is, take any photographs, either video or still? If so, can we please see these as well?

2) You say you have a "contract" between Randi and Joko Tri for Tri to be a JREF representative. Can you please post here a photocopy of this "contract", including any signatures? This should prove what you say about this contract.

3) Why was the trial done at night? Did Joko Tri do any other trials in daylight as well?

4) Did Joko Tri do only one trial? If not, how many others did he do? Daylight or night-time? Were they filmed too by anyone in any way?

5) In the movie we have, who are the other people who are attacking the master alongside Joko Tri?


Please note that I'm NOT saying this is fraud. I'm simply asking you for more details and evidence, whatever you may have.

thanks
Zep
 
yellowbamboo said:
WHOA there cowboy!

A if you read the release it clearly states we now are claimants.
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The title of your press release was "Million Dollar Challenge Won by Yellow Bamboo".

I don't see how that can be interpreted as anything but a deliberately false statement.

If you defend the title above, I may be forced to issue my own press release that would look something like this:


"Kevin Lowe Proves Yellow Bamboo To Be Liars And Frauds"

Well, actually he didn't prove it at all. But he says he might prove it one day in the future. That's good enough for him.


You would, of course, be completely cool with me making public claims like that as long as the body of the press release contradicted the title?

B) We have NEVER claimed a subsequent test by fraser and I challenge you here and now to show where this claim is
posted.
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Further on in your press release, you stated "Now, according to their contract with Randi, Yellow Bamboo is a claimant to the million dollars. One additional Randi representative will try to attack Mr Serengen in Bali. After Mr Serengen knocks down this one the million will be turned over immediately."

I imagined that this claim referred to Fraser, since Fraser was in Bali and was shortly supposed to be testing Serengen's mojo. Except that when a verifiably independent tester showed up the Magic Man was nowhere to be found. :rolleyes: I can see now, though, that this is not the only possible reading of the passage, so I withdraw the above claim.

Actually fraser was given details of capt sudi who would have gladly taken him to meet serengen. YOu would have to ask him why he didnt want to go.

Also - We have not gotten any contract from randi saying fraser was his authorized rep. We got a contract from randi saying joko tri was his authorized rep.
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The question remains: Why wouldn't any of the YB superheroes show Fraser their superpowers? Surely you don't need a contract for that.

That would have blown the "Joko's a YB stooge" hypothesis out of the water.
 
Now I've had a little nibble of humble pie, perhaps you'd care to answer my other questions?
 
Just a point of order.

Is Randi's signature the only JREF one required on formal documents relating to the JREF Challenge? If so, then my whole understanding of the legal constitution of the JREF is erroneous. I'm aware that the funds cannot be released WITHOUT Randi's signature, but I'd be surprised to learn that his signature is the only one required for the Foundation to enter into a contract in respect of the Challenge (or anything else, for that matter).

I still have concerns about the manner in which Joko Tri came to be appointed the sole JREF representative for a formal preliminary test, and like many others here would very much like to see all the correspondence related to this event.
 
yellowbamboo,

I hope you have mailed Randi at his email address also, as he doesn't check the forum regularly. :)

Here are some things I was wondering about after seeing the video. Any clarity is appreciated.

1. how can the same force being delivered from the same person at the same time at the same place, knock down one attacker forwards, and the other attacker backwards?

2. why were there other people participating alongside Joko?

3. how many people were participating alongside Joko?

4. did any of the other participants come into contact with Joko during the trial by any means?
(I ask because it is almost impossible to tell from the video if Joko was contacted by another person by accident.)

I am also definitely not saying anyone in any party has done anything other than be honest. I simply would like some things cleared up, questions that mostly arise from a very dark and short video. :)
 
I still keep expecting Randi to announce that this is a hoax and list all the reasons why JREFers should have immediately spotted it as such. If it's not a hoax, then I'm appalled at the sloppiness with which the demo/test was arranged and conducted and can't understand why such a lax protocol was ever agreed to by the JREF.
 
Yellowbamboo, your silence in response to these very valid questions above would indicate that you do not have any good answers at all. That could mean you have been trying to scam JREF and your followers.

Here on this website we pride ourselves in being able to provide very strong evidence for our own arguments. We are just as harsh on ourselves as we are on anyone else. You are now being subject to this same strict treatment.

At this time, we have no evidence that you have even officially signed up to do the preliminary JREF challenge for the $1,000,000. We know for certain you have not won the main JREF $1,000,000 prize, so telling your followers on your website that you have is a straight out lie. All we have is one very short, very poor quality video plus your own announcement on your own website, repeated here, that you have "passed the test". This is totally insufficient, it shows nothing positive at all, and it raises far more questions than answers.

So would it be too much to ask that you respond to our questions and requests within 24 hours? We are very reasonable and are quite willing to hear and see your evidence, but if you do not show it to us then there is nothing to support your claims that you passed JREF's (not Randi's) preliminary challenge for the $1,000,000.

I do not want to find out that you are liars and confidence tricksters. And I would not like to tell all your followers that you are confidence tricksters who rip off tourists. And I would not like to let the correct Balinese and Indonesian authorities know that you are confidence tricksters who rip off tourists. That would be very bad for you, not for JREF.

So I think you had better come up with ALL you supporting evidence in detail VERY quickly indeed. Don't you?

thank you
Zep
 
Just so everyone here knows, if "Yellow Bamboo" is the usual suspect (Alvin) then he only accesses the internet via a cafe.

Thus it is unreasonable to expect them to post comprehensive reports, scanned documents etc on 24 hours notice given their limited internet facilities.
 
Zep, I think you are focusing on the wrong issues here, the debate is over "what happend", not over "did it happen". Your claim that YB posted that they won the challenge on their website just shows you aren't even bothering to do any research. Go look, www.yellowbamboo.com .

Really JREF should be the source information for this community, demanding that YB proove themselves to you within 24 hours would be insane even if they had easy internet access.

You seemed to have overlooked the main point of YB's post. He is saying Randi isn't being accurate in how he is reporting what happend!!! Though YB was polite in his wording I would consider his charge very serious.

I would really like to see that contract myself. I don't consider Joko Tr's role to be in question but there is much debate over what the "protocols" were, seeing the contract would clear that up.

Actually, posting these documents should be something JR can do also. Since he is sayimg the protocol wasn't followed it seems like a basic thing to do if YB is disputing him.

For anyone with questions for YB here are some places to look for info first.

Read Randi's comments on Yellow Bamboo July 4,
http://www.randi.org/jr/070403.html

Sept 19
http://www.randi.org/jr/091903.html

Sept 26
http://www.randi.org/jr/092603.html

Since Randi verifies Mr. Tri as the tester in the latest Swift you can gleam a lot of infor from his post also. I couldn't get the rec-martial arts thread to load but someone reposted MR. Tri's account in this thread:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27710
 
MemeHacker said:
Zep, I think you are focusing on the wrong issues here, the debate is over "what happened", not over "did it happen". Your claim that YB posted that they won the challenge on their website just shows you aren't even bothering to do any research. Go look, www.yellowbamboo.com .

Yes and no. One of the first things that we need to do here is to establish some facts, examine the evidence. So far, all we have seen are 12 seconds of dodgy video and some ambiguous words on various websites. I have indeed visited the "official" YB website - it seems to say nothing about this that I can find (have I missed something?). It also warns of scammers using their name. If there are such people involved here, our search for evidence will surely expose them.

Really JREF should be the source information for this community, demanding that YB proove themselves to you within 24 hours would be insane even if they had easy internet access.

No, not "prove themselves," submit their (already available?) evidence. They are talking big, let's see their steel.

You seemed to have overlooked the main point of YB's post. He is saying Randi isn't being accurate in how he is reporting what happened!!! Though YB was polite in his wording I would consider his charge very serious.

How can we determine how serious this charge is if we have no evidence to the contrary?

I would really like to see that contract myself. I don't consider Joko Tri's role to be in question but there is much debate over what the "protocols" were, seeing the contract would clear that up.

Personally, I suspect Joko Tri bears closer examination...

Actually, posting these documents should be something JR can do also. Since he is sayimg the protocol wasn't followed it seems like a basic thing to do if YB is disputing him.

True, but I am looking to see exactly WHO has the contract at the Bali end. Supposing it IS in Bali...

For anyone with questions for YB here are some places to look for info first.

Read Randi's comments on Yellow Bamboo July 4,
http://www.randi.org/jr/070403.html

Sept 19
http://www.randi.org/jr/091903.html

Sept 26
http://www.randi.org/jr/092603.html

Since Randi verifies Mr. Tri as the tester in the latest Swift you can gleam a lot of info from his post also. I couldn't get the rec-martial arts thread to load but someone reposted Mr. Tri's account in this thread:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27710

I've read this too. In fact, all that has been made available so far. And I'm not satisfied that we have anywhere near enough evidence to make any judgements, especially in favour of YB.

I suspect that Randi, given his penchant for showmanship, is more than likely holding information that will clarify this issue soon. But in the absence of that, there should be no reason why we cannot ask for more evidence from the "source" ourselves. Yes?

Personally, as I said on another thread, Occam's Razor and common sense would indicate that the best description to the available evidence is of a totally amateur and childish prank.
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Kevin_Lowe said:
Just so everyone here knows, if "Yellow Bamboo" is the usual suspect (Alvin) then he only accesses the internet via a cafe.

Thus it is unreasonable to expect them to post comprehensive reports, scanned documents etc on 24 hours notice given their limited internet facilities.
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In the immortal words of someone in the scamming business, "TOUGH TITTIES".
 
Okay thanks for the questions:


1. Remembere we are in indonesia and i go to the internet only 1 time every 2 days so with time difference it is hard to respond immediately.


2. If you go to rma newsgroup you will see that fraser johnson a well known and credible rma person came here last week and
i personally showed him the notarized contract naming joko tri.

I dont have a scanner but fraser did take pics of the notarized contract.


3. In same newsgroup you will also see joko tri posted his personal experience-


I think these two posters can independently answer your questions but if you are not satisfied could you pls email me at the yellowbamboo.com website email and ill respond to that?

THen you could post here the answers. I am sorry but i am having a hard time reading this forum thing and there (seems)
is no way toi respond to an individual post.

I hope you can find the answerrs your looking for.


YBS
 
1. Remembere we are in indonesia and i go to the internet only 1 time every 2 days so with time difference it is hard to respond immediately.
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What a crock of rocking horse crap.

You are in roughly the same timezone as I am and please stop pretending that Indonesia is some pathetic Third World backwater which does not have reliable internet access. The very fact that Yellow Bamboo maintains a website suggests otherwise. As does the fact that YB seemed to have no problems whatsoever in posting their claim to have won the "JREF $1 million dollar challenge". As does the fact that people in Indonesia post on this and other messageboards all over the world wide net every single day of the week. People understand time zone differences. I post mostly during the daytime AEST. During our day time people get fairly prompt answers. If they ask me a question in the middle of the night AEST, they understand when they do not get a response within 15 minutes. They even understand that sometimes real life events might mean that I don't even see their question for a week.

You know what the difference is? If you can get internet access or deal with the timezone problems in order to claim the glory then you can do the same in order to address legitimate questions.

YOU don't have a scanner. YB has access to sufficiently sophisticated technology that they can put a video online. In the absence of a scanner (I don't have one either), I'd be prepared to at least take a look at images of the "notarised documentation" which have been taken with either a digital camera or a standard video camera.

In the absence of you having access to either of those technologies, I'd even settle for you specifically naming the signatories to the JREF agreement and the notary.

I have many friends who live in Indonesia if computer equipment and access is a problem. Within 24 hours I am quite sure that no matter where you live in Indonesia I can arrange for someone who DOES have the necessary equipment to assist you in putting these images online.

Are you really SURE that you want to claim "technical difficulties" here?
 
Okay I am trying to reply to this thing if it is wrong i apologize.


1. Before you read my answers pls go to rma forum newsgroup and read joko tri account and fraser johnson account which i think should answer msot of the questions and give proof of the contract etc.





Yellowbamboo, some questions, please:

1) Is the 12-second video referenced by this website that was sent to Randi the ONLY piece of video or photographic evidence available of the "trial" by Joko Tri?

yes i think so

Did the reporter, whatever his name is, take any photographs, either video or still? If so, can we please see these as well?


no- his name is suastawa (sp?) and he is a journalist for radio republik indonesia in singaraja- look up his phone number for the company and call him there if ya want.



2) You say you have a "contract" between Randi and Joko Tri for Tri to be a JREF representative. Can you please post here a photocopy of this "contract", including any signatures? This should prove what you say about this contract.


see what fraser johnson who saw and photoed the contract says- i dont have a scanner and it is like 2 hours from here to one.

Also pls remember this_ I make NO money from this thing and am only a volunteer and if we did ever win and randi did actually pay i would get none of it.

I am in bali to surf and put up the website ONLY as a favor to pak serengen. But I am in bali to surf and i dont really give a toss if people belive in it or not- I persoanlly like the meditations myself.

If there was no surf here I would never sty in this hell hole.


3) Why was the trial done at night? Did Joko Tri do any other trials in daylight as well?


joko waqs late and the reporter was even later so we had to do it
in the dark.


4) Did Joko Tri do only one trial? If not, how many others did he do? Daylight or night-time? Were they filmed too by anyone in any way?


one time go



5) In the movie we have, who are the other people who are attacking the master alongside Joko Tri?


Dont know. I dont speak enough indonesian to understand what they were saying. Maybe it wasd to get serengen psyched?




The title of your press release was "Million Dollar Challenge Won by Yellow Bamboo".

I don't see how that can be interpreted as anything but a deliberately false statement.


Maybe your right it could have said Step one of Million dollar challenge won



I imagined that this claim referred to Fraser, since Fraser was in Bali and was shortly supposed to be testing Serengen's mojo. Except that when a verifiably independent tester showed up the Magic Man was nowhere to be found. I can see now, though, that this is not the only possible reading of the passage, so I withdraw the above claim.



cool- it is easy to misunderstand things on the net




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The question remains: Why wouldn't any of the YB superheroes show Fraser their superpowers? Surely you don't need a contract for that.


YOu know something? He never asked- see his report in rma
also I did offer to take him to meet serengen.



That would have blown the "Joko's a YB stooge" hypothesis out of the water.


Yes but the theory is tenous at best cause we still have to knck down randi to win the challenge.

Now I've had a little nibble of humble pie, perhaps you'd care to answer my other questions?


I think I did.
Is Randi's signature the only JREF one required on formal documents relating to the JREF Challenge? If so, then my whole understanding of the legal constitution of the JREF is erroneous. I'm aware that the funds cannot be released WITHOUT Randi's signature, but I'd be surprised to learn that his signature is the only one required for the Foundation to enter into a contract in respect of the Challenge (or anything else, for that matter).

I still have concerns about the manner in which Joko Tri came to be appointed the sole JREF representative for a formal preliminary test, and like many others here would very much like to see all the correspondence related to this event.


see jokos post at rma


I hope you have mailed Randi at his email address also, as he doesn't check the forum regularly.


yes did so


Here are some things I was wondering about after seeing the video. Any clarity is appreciated.

1. how can the same force being delivered from the same person at the same time at the same place, knock down one attacker forwards, and the other attacker backwards?


Stuffed if I know


2. why were there other people participating alongside Joko?


i dont know read my resply above.

3. how many people were participating alongside Joko?

3 or 4?

4. did any of the other participants come into contact with Joko during the trial by any means?
(I ask because it is almost impossible to tell from the video if Joko was contacted by another person by accident.)


NO read jokos post

I am also definitely not saying anyone in any party has done anything other than be honest. I simply would like some things cleared up, questions that mostly arise from a very dark and short video.


i agree it sucks it was not done early morning.


I still keep expecting Randi to announce that this is a hoax and list all the reasons why JREFers should have immediately spotted it as such. If it's not a hoax, then I'm appalled at the sloppiness with which the demo/test was arranged and conducted and can't understand why such a lax protocol was ever agreed to by the JREF.



Me too



Yellowbamboo, your silence in response to these very valid questions above would indicate that you do not have any good answers at all. That could mean you have been trying to scam JREF and your followers.



Mayte what am i supposed to do stay in the internet cafe to answer people questions?




At this time, we have no evidence that you have even officially signed up to do the preliminary JREF challenge for the $1,000,000. We know for certain you have not won the main JREF $1,000,000 prize, so telling your followers on your website that you have is a straight out lie.



what are you smokin? We have so far made NO announcement on our website.



All we have is one very short, very poor quality video plus your own announcement on your own website, repeated here, that you have "passed the test". This is totally insufficient, it shows nothing positive at all, and it raises far more questions than answers.



WRONG theres nothin on the website is there?


So would it be too much to ask that you respond to our questions and requests within 24 hours? We are very reasonable and are quite willing to hear and see your evidence, but if you do not show it to us then there is nothing to support your claims that you passed JREF's (not Randi's) preliminary challenge for the $1,000,000.


Please we could caree less if you believe or not and it IS randi who pays the prize not you is it?



I do not want to find out that you are liars and confidence tricksters. And I would not like to tell all your followers that you are confidence tricksters who rip off tourists.
Mate your totally barkin up the wrong tree.

A) As you can see from Frasers post we make NO money off this thing. People pay 15 busk to join and get a uniform in return.


B) Out of 30,000 members there are maybe 20 westerners all up who are members


C) So we dont have any outcome or financial gain at all anywhere from this at all- read fraser johnsons post mate.


And I would not like to let the correct Balinese and Indonesian authorities know that you are confidence tricksters who rip off tourists. That would be very bad for you, not for JREF.


THis is the funniest thing i have heard all month :-)


So I think you had better come up with ALL you supporting evidence in detail VERY quickly indeed. Don't you?



Oh no- your not gonna tell my mother too are you?

Zep, I think you are focusing on the wrong issues here, the debate is over "what happend", not over "did it happen". Your claim that YB posted that they won the challenge on their website just shows you aren't even bothering to do any research. Go look, www.yellowbamboo.com .

Really JREF should be the source information for this community, demanding that YB proove themselves to you within 24 hours would be insane even if they had easy internet access.

You seemed to have overlooked the main point of YB's post. He is saying Randi isn't being accurate in how he is reporting what happend!!! Though YB was polite in his wording I would consider his charge very serious.

I would really like to see that contract myself. I don't consider Joko Tr's role to be in question but there is much debate over what the "protocols" were, seeing the contract would clear that up.

Actually, posting these documents should be something JR can do also. Since he is sayimg the protocol wasn't followed it seems like a basic thing to do if YB is disputing him.




TRUE TRUE


For anyone with questions for YB here are some places to look for info first.

Read Randi's comments on Yellow Bamboo July 4,
http://www.randi.org/jr/070403.html

Sept 19
http://www.randi.org/jr/091903.html

Sept 26
http://www.randi.org/jr/092603.html

Since Randi verifies Mr. Tri as the tester in the latest Swift you can gleam a lot of infor from his post also. I couldn't get the rec-martial arts thread to load but someone reposted MR. Tri's account in this thread:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/show...&threadid=27710


Yes and no. One of the first things that we need to do here is to establish some facts, examine the evidence. So far, all we have seen are 12 seconds of dodgy video and some ambiguous words on various websites. I have indeed visited the "official" YB website - it seems to say nothing about this that I can find (have I missed something?). It also warns of scammers using their name. If there are such people involved here, our search for evidence will surely expose them.


actually there is nothing in the contract or protocol which mandates any video evidence- look at jref contract on his site
randi.org




I've read this too. In fact, all that has been made available so far. And I'm not satisfied that we have anywhere near enough evidence to make any judgements, especially in favour of YB.


yes i agree.



I suspect that Randi, given his penchant for showmanship, is more than likely holding information that will clarify this issue soon. But in the absence of that, there should be no reason why we cannot ask for more evidence from the "source" ourselves. Yes?


Sure I hope you got what you want- im sitting in a hot and sweaty box at the moment and have stayed as long as i can stand it- wanna know more email us.


All the best,

YBS
 
What a crock of rocking horse crap.

You are in roughly the same timezone as I am and please stop pretending that Indonesia is some pathetic Third World backwater which does not have reliable internet access. The very fact that Yellow Bamboo maintains a website suggests otherwise.

Actually if you check your see the website is maintained in usa.




As does the fact that YB seemed to have no problems whatsoever in posting their claim to have won the "JREF $1 million dollar challenge". As does the fact that people in


yes we did go to the cafe to post it took a while to get it together.


Indonesia post on this and other messageboards all over the world wide net every single day of the week. People understand time zone differences. I post mostly during the daytime AEST. During our day time people get fairly prompt answers. If they ask me a question in the middle of the night AEST, they understand when they do not get a response within 15 minutes. They even understand that sometimes real life events might mean that I don't even see their question for a week.

You know what the difference is? If you can get internet access or deal with the timezone problems in order to claim the glory then you can do the same in order to address legitimate questions.


Do you have a pint ehre?



YOU don't have a scanner. YB has access to sufficiently sophisticated technology that they can put a video online. In the absence of a scanner (I don't have one either), I'd be prepared to at least take a look at images of the "notarised documentation" which have been taken with either a digital camera or a standard video camera.

In the absence of you having access to either of those technologies, I'd even settle for you specifically naming the signatories to the JREF agreement and the notary.

I have many friends who live in Indonesia if computer equipment and access is a problem. Within 24 hours I am quite sure that no matter where you live in Indonesia I can arrange for someone who DOES have the necessary equipment to assist you in putting these images online.

Are you really SURE that you want to claim "technical difficulties" here?



Sure if you want a friend to come here and scan it they are welcome.

It would be even easier to have randi post it as well :-)

But the bottom line is believe or dont believe it is up to you.

what really matters now is if serengen can knock randi on his bum.

If he can your points are moot. If he cannot it is all bullsh** anyway:-)
 
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