Only if it shoots you in the back - if it's visible and you carry open you should be pretty sure you can outdraw it. Otherwise, you should prefer to have it ignorant of the situation.....
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Or, possibly we take seriously the facts that the police are not required to protect us and most of us have pretty good ideas of response times of the police where we live. As silly as it may sound, I would much rather the bad guy/s be dead at my feet when the police arrive than the bad guys be gone and me lying dead - and I wouldn't feel a bit better if they were caught and eventually jailed for a few years. Though I will admit that if when caught they would be slowly flayed and salted - and then really put through pain- I might feel a little better. Oh, wait, no I wouldn't - 'cause I would be dead.
Sure. I meant to say it's not something I can respond to, but I missed a word. I was conceding it wasn't an assessment I can make, not suggesting it should be given special significance.
What I mean by saying "my issue is not with those citizens" is that I don't think those are the people most inclined to actually hurt others.
What I'm saying is that if access by the good guys results increased access by the bad guys, the end result may be more bad guys with guns.
If there are consequences of increasing the amount of firearms overall, as I believe there are, then having a good reason to own a firearm might outweigh those consequences. The question is whether that is the case, especially if the reason is more trivial.
EDIT: I'm noticing a lot of 'if' in this post, so clearly this is getting too hypothetical. I'll see if I can find any data on this instead of speculating.
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Even with Australia's very good gun legislation, things like this can still happen.
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My rather large firearm collection and ammo stash is for the impending zombie apocalypse. I didn't have to give this or any reason to get a gun permit. Mostly because there is no such thing a gun permit here.
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So is there any kind of restriction on who can buy a gun?
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Sure. Per the Gun Control Act of 1968:
d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person - (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien - (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26))); (6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that - (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
When you buy a gun at a dealer you have to fill out a form. The dealer submits your information and an instant background check is run by the FBI. If it turns out that you are a felon or something, no gun for you. And if you lied on the form it is a felony. This is federal law. States may have additional laws. Mine doesn't.
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It gets even worse for other types of firearms. Every time I want to make a silencer, even if I only spend $20 on material, I have to pay a $200 tax before making the parts. It is not as simple as just writing a check to the United States Treasury either. I have to fill out an application and get it signed by the local sheriff who can refuse for any reason at all. Then I get finger printed and photographed. The application gets sent in along with the check and I wait 3-6 months for approval.
This method is used for shotguns and rifles with short barrels, silencers, machine guns, destructive devices (rifled bores >1/2 inch, explosives, rockets) and gadget guns ($5 tax).
If I decide I do not want to pay the tax, then I risk a $10,000 fine and 10 years in prison if I get caught. And this is just for possession, not using it in a crime. The feds tack on 20 to life for certain violent crimes involving these firearms.
Even though the US federal government does not outright ban any type of firearm, the excessive controls they put on some of them are a de facto ban under some circumstances. I have never had a problem obtaining ATF authorization to make a firearm, but this has not stopped people from telling me I am a criminal for doing so.
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This method is used for shotguns and rifles with short barrels, silencers, machine guns, destructive devices (rifled bores >1/2 inch, explosives, rockets) and gadget guns ($5 tax).
If I decide I do not want to pay the tax, then I risk a $10,000 fine and 10 years in prison if I get caught. And this is just for possession, not using it in a crime. The feds tack on 20 to life for certain violent crimes involving these firearms.
Even though the US federal government does not outright ban any type of firearm, the excessive controls they put on some of them are a de facto ban under some circumstances. I have never had a problem obtaining ATF authorization to make a firearm, but this has not stopped people from telling me I am a criminal for doing so.
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The most telling experience regarding ownership restrictions that I have had came a couple of years agon when I tried to sell my handgun through a local, established gun store. I had bought from them before and had to undergo the background check before they would release to me.
I asked them to sell a handgun, basically on commission, but they were unable to do so at the price I was asking so after several months I gave up and asked them to give the gun back to me.
Even though the gun was still mine (there had been no transaction other than a receipt saying that they had the gun and were trying to sell it), they put me through the background check again.
In a practical sense I didn't mind; it took only a few minutes, but I felt vaguely offended philosophically.
I asked them to sell a handgun, basically on commission, but they were unable to do so at the price I was asking so after several months I gave up and asked them to give the gun back to me.
Even though the gun was still mine (there had been no transaction other than a receipt saying that they had the gun and were trying to sell it), they put me through the background check again.
In a practical sense I didn't mind; it took only a few minutes, but I felt vaguely offended philosophically.
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Here in the UK we have some of the tightest gun control laws in the world and also one of the lowest rates of killings iinvolvoing guns per capita.
It does not mean that guns are not avialable to crims who really want them jsut harder ot get but also we have a lees gun and weapons in general, centric society.
It does not mean that guns are not avialable to crims who really want them jsut harder ot get but also we have a lees gun and weapons in general, centric society.
And there's your problem. What if I come to the UK and go to a pub and am rude to everybody because I don't think your furrin practices are respectable and what if I want to get into a fight and then I want to shoot somebody?
What about my god given right to do that?
Answer me that, you commie pinko!
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that was a joke right?
if you did do that I would call on my ex colleagues and you would be kicking your heels in the nearest Nicks drunk dunk until you saw a maigstrate the following morning.
Yep. A joke. But you can be sure I'd give this Nick fellow what for!
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Okay, this form seems to be equivalent to our permit application. It's not called a permit, but it seems to serve basically the same purpose.
In my experience, most gun rights advocates do not object to some regulation of gun ownership (those who do object are not a tiny percentage, but they are not the majority).
I don't mind regulation, either, just as I don't mind the regulation of vehicles. I would mind if I were told I cannot own or sell a car, though, just as I would mind if I were told I had to pay a yearly tax on my handguns (like we have to pay a yearly registration fee for our vehicles).
The arguments, then, are generally about the degree of regulation as opposed to the existence of it.
Yep, same for me. I have no problems with background check regulation. Keep guns away from violent felons. I do have a problem that felonies for non violent reasons get lumped in. I have a friend who was abandoned by his parents when he was 16 who wrote a ton of bad checks, mostly for food, and continues to this day to not be able to vote or own firearms for his indiscretion (he has long since made restitution). Sure there are ways to get his rights back, they all involve a good deal of money.
I also have problems with some of the seemingly arbitrary restrictions on weapons. The assault ban is a good example of emotional legislation with little to no rational reasons. Some weapons that look scary get restricted, while others that are actually more capable are ok becuase they are not evil looking black guns that you can attach a knife to.
I would love to have an SBR (short barreled rifle) I have a bad back, and love light weight short quick pointing rifles. But I really dont want to go through the hassle, and be on a list somewhere.
That is strange, I wonder if that is a state thing. I know if I go get sights put on my hand gun and leave the gun with them I do not have to get a BG check to pick it up, is it only for certain durations(over a year, month)? Never heard of that myself. Then again Ive never tried to sell a gun on consignment.
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Just the ones that have been posted over, and over, and over, and over.
Do you have a point?