Ooops! Family Values Married Republican Caught Making Out With Another Man's Wife

[Mudcat]

Your My Leave It To Beaver "Anything Goes" code of sexual morality is due for an overhaul.

The selected contained a few errors, I fixed it for you. Having a strong set of morals won't kill you, just for your information.

Polygamy and prostitution (if legal) don't hurt anybody, and frankly you should mind your own business if they're not hurting anybody.

Let's put aside polygamy and prostitution for a second and just leave it to the confines of the story. It involves Vance McCallister, married to Kelly Duncan McCallister, who had an affair with a woman named Melissa Anne Hixon Peacock, married to Heath Peacock.

The affair, to the best of my knowledge, was consensual so according to you that's alright because "No one was hurt." Let's examine that for a moment, shall we?

It definitely hurt Kelly Duncan McCallister and Heath Peacock, now didn't it?

It hurt their respective children, who now face the prospect of their parents getting a divorce over this (which can't exactly be good for them), and may hurt them in other ways even without a divorce.

And it hurt the public that put trust into Vance McCallister. Because let's face it, if he can't be trusted to keep his marriage vows then how can he be trusted to keep any other vow?

But I guess that's all okay as long they're able to have their fun and no one is hurt in the short term, right?

Makes you sound like a Talib or televangelist.

Or a reasonable, rational, and well informed adult capable of acting responsibly, one. Do you consider those negative traits?

 

[Spindrift]

The selected contained a few errors, I fixed it for you. Having a strong set of morals won't kill you, just for your information.



Let's put aside polygamy and prostitution for a second and just leave it to the confines of the story. It involves Vance McCallister, married to Kelly Duncan McCallister, who had an affair with a woman named Melissa Anne Hixon Peacock, married to Heath Peacock.

The affair, to the best of my knowledge, was consensual so according to you that's alright because "No one was hurt."

Who said that? Oh, that's right, no one.

Let's examine that for a moment, shall we?

It definitely hurt Kelly Duncan McCallister and Heath Peacock, now didn't it?

It hurt their respective children, who now face the prospect of their parents getting a divorce over this (which can't exactly be good for them), and may hurt them in other ways even without a divorce.

And it hurt the public that put trust into Vance McCallister. Because let's face it, if he can't be trusted to keep his marriage vows then how can he be trusted to keep any other vow?

Very easily. Philandering may ruin one's home life, destroy the family, but it in no way in and of itself disqualifies one from being a good leader. Example: Eisenhower.

But I guess that's all okay as long they're able to have their fun and no one is hurt in the short term, right?



Or a reasonable, rational, and well informed adult capable of acting responsibly, one. Do you consider those negative traits?

This thread is not about whether or not cheating affects judgement in other areas. It is about the hypocrisy of someone who runs on a platform of X and then proceeds to do the opposite of X. In this case it's 'family values'. In California, it was the idiot running guns who was a supposed anti-gun champion.

 

[ponderingturtle]

The selected contained a few errors, I fixed it for you. Having a strong set of morals won't kill you, just for your information.



Let's put aside polygamy and prostitution for a second and just leave it to the confines of the story. It involves Vance McCallister, married to Kelly Duncan McCallister, who had an affair with a woman named Melissa Anne Hixon Peacock, married to Heath Peacock.

The affair, to the best of my knowledge, was consensual so according to you that's alright because "No one was hurt." Let's examine that for a moment, shall we?

It definitely hurt Kelly Duncan McCallister and Heath Peacock, now didn't it?

It hurt their respective children, who now face the prospect of their parents getting a divorce over this (which can't exactly be good for them), and may hurt them in other ways even without a divorce.

And it hurt the public that put trust into Vance McCallister. Because let's face it, if he can't be trusted to keep his marriage vows then how can he be trusted to keep any other vow?

But I guess that's all okay as long they're able to have their fun and no one is hurt in the short term, right?



Or a reasonable, rational, and well informed adult capable of acting responsibly, one. Do you consider those negative traits?

So lock them both up from the felons they are? Of course this means about 50% of people are felons.

Cheating is bad and my non monogamous friends will not knowingly get involved with one.

 

[Polaris]

The selected contained a few errors, I fixed it for you. Having a strong set of morals won't kill you, just for your information.

You "fixed" the selected the way Cecilia Giménez "fixed" the ecco homo fresco of Santuario de la Misericordia. Equating sex and morality is a backwards way of thinking. "Anything goes", as long as nobody gets hurt, is the ideal way to go.

Let's put aside polygamy and prostitution for a second and just leave it to the confines of the story. It involves Vance McCallister, married to Kelly Duncan McCallister, who had an affair with a woman named Melissa Anne Hixon Peacock, married to Heath Peacock.

The affair, to the best of my knowledge, was consensual so according to you that's alright because "No one was hurt." Let's examine that for a moment, shall we?

It definitely hurt Kelly Duncan McCallister and Heath Peacock, now didn't it?

It hurt their respective children, who now face the prospect of their parents getting a divorce over this (which can't exactly be good for them), and may hurt them in other ways even without a divorce.

And it hurt the public that put trust into Vance McCallister. Because let's face it, if he can't be trusted to keep his marriage vows then how can he be trusted to keep any other vow?

But I guess that's all okay as long they're able to have their fun and no one is hurt in the short term, right?



Or a reasonable, rational, and well informed adult capable of acting responsibly, one. Do you consider those negative traits?

Of course you'd put prostitution and polygamy aside, otherwise you couldn't beat the piss out of that strawman you just built. There was a reason I didn't bother addressing the adultery in the story, and that's because adultery (being unfaithful in general, marriage isn't necessary) is a crappy thing to do to the partner you supposedly love. You chose to include to victimless acts by consenting adults and equate them with an act that does have a victim.

I also certainly would consider someone who equates prostitution and polygamy (assuming everybody is a consenting adult) with irresponsibility as unfit for office - especially if he considers himself an authority on morality.

 

[cwalner]

It definitely hurt Kelly Duncan McCallister and Heath Peacock, now didn't it?

No. Based on the professed religious views, this is likely, but by no means definitely true.

It hurt their respective children, who now face the prospect of their parents getting a divorce over this (which can't exactly be good for them), and may hurt them in other ways even without a divorce.

Again, this is not definite. Depending upon the state of the relationship, a divorce may be the best thing for the children.

And it hurt the public that put trust into Vance McCallister. Because let's face it, if he can't be trusted to keep his marriage vows then how can he be trusted to keep any other vow?

No it didn't. I was in now way hurt when I learned that Bill Clinton had an affair. I put my trust in him as president and I had no problem with him continuing as president.

 

[Polaris]

Again, this is not definite. Depending upon the state of the relationship, a divorce may be the best thing for the children.

I didn't even think about that part - and I can certainly vouch that while I wasn't glad my parents got divorced (I was 11) I thought, both then and now, that it was a good thing, because they didn't need to be married to each other.

 

[ponderingturtle]

No. Based on the professed religious views, this is likely, but by no means definitely true.


Again, this is not definite. Depending upon the state of the relationship, a divorce may be the best thing for the children.


No it didn't. I was in now way hurt when I learned that Bill Clinton had an affair. I put my trust in him as president and I had no problem with him continuing as president.

But don't you know the good leaders in world war2 by their sexual fidelity. Say what you want about Hitler at least he wasn't a cheating bastard like Churchill and Roosevelt.

 

[Mudcat]

No. Based on the professed religious views, this is likely, but by no means definitely true.

Why must morality equate to religious views? I have no religious views and I find McCallister's and Peacock's actions as morally repugnant and in no uncertain terms as harmful towards their spouses and family.

Again, this is not definite. Depending upon the state of the relationship, a divorce may be the best thing for the children.

You really believe that with the current situation that a divorce "may be the best thing" what with the fact that their parents are public figures? Are you high or just delusional?

 

[Mudcat]

Equating sex and morality is a backwards way of thinking.

No, it is not.

"Anything goes", as long as nobody gets hurt, is the ideal way to go.

No, it is not. Not by a long shot. "Hurt" and "harm" are relative, as I have illustrated. Have an "Anything goes" mentality about sex and someone will get hurt. You can take that to the bank.

Of course you'd put prostitution and polygamy aside, otherwise you couldn't beat the piss out of that strawman you just built.

How about you read for comprehension instead of misconstruing my post? When I answered the question about who are saying these things, I answered essentially "Probably the same people that think these things are a good idea", it was not an attempt to try to bring in prostitution or polygamy into the discussion or even an attempt to equate cheating to them.

Do you understand? Yes, or no?

 

[TragicMonkey]

I'm pretty sure TragicMonkey doesn't have any problem with homosexuality.

But I've heard that practice makes perfect, so I'm prepared to practice homosexuality a few hundred thousand more times, just to be sure. I mean, some people think it's a choice, some people think it's genetic. How can I really know? Through empirical testing. A lot of empirical testing. I'm just that dedicated to knowledge. Call me a hero. Call me several heroes, and make sure they're well-rested beforehand. Science is fun.

 

[Mudcat]

But I've heard that practice makes perfect, so I'm prepared to practice homosexuality a few hundred thousand more times, just to be sure. I mean, some people think it's a choice, some people think it's genetic. How can I really know? Through empirical testing. A lot of empirical testing. I'm just that dedicated to knowledge. Call me a hero. Call me several heroes, and make sure they're well-rested beforehand. Science is fun.

*Dies laughing!*

 

[FenerFan]

I'm sure a lot of voters in his district were disgusted by McCallister's behaviour. I mean, he's not even related to that woman he kissed.

 

[SezMe]

Isn't this his private matters? A lot of things can happen in life to make something like this happen, and it doesn't necessarily need to speak to his character. There's so many other hypocritical positions in the Republican party that I don't think this needs to be made into a big deal.

I disagree. During the Clinton debacle, the Republicans repeated endlessly that "character counts". If it did then, it does now. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[ravdin]

I disagree. During the Clinton debacle, the Republicans repeated endlessly that "character counts". If it did then, it does now. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Did he bomb a pharmaceutical factory in Africa to distract the public from his sexual affairs?

 

[SezMe]

No.

Question is totally irrelevant to my comment.

Next?

 

[Corsair 115]

But I've heard that practice makes perfect, so I'm prepared to practice homosexuality a few hundred thousand more times, just to be sure. I mean, some people think it's a choice, some people think it's genetic. How can I really know? Through empirical testing. A lot of empirical testing. I'm just that dedicated to knowledge. Call me a hero. Call me several heroes, and make sure they're well-rested beforehand. Science is fun.

GLaDOS would be proud of your dedication to science! "Continue testing."

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

well, the Eisenhower affair story is in the "unconfirmed" territory I think. But if you list which presidents had known affairs and which did not, you can't really say one group made better leaders then another. I'll limit the list to those serving in the 20th century.

Known Affairs
Wilson (emotional if not physical)
Harding
FDR
JFK
LBJ
Bush I
Clinton

No Affairs (known)
McKinley
TR
Taft
Coolidge
Truman
Ford
Carter
Reagan

There are stories about Ike and Nixon (not together, ewwwww) so I left them off.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Taft was the ultimate Casanova. He was the Oberyn Martel of his era. Rrrraarrrwwl sexy growl. Oh yeah, Taft me. Taft me like a naughty nun.

 

[Spindrift]

Taft was the ultimate Casanova. He was the Oberyn Martel of his era. Rrrraarrrwwl sexy growl. Oh yeah, Taft me. Taft me like a naughty nun.

Taft was the last president to have facial hair. I believe Coolidge was the first to shave his pubic hair.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Taft was the last president to have facial hair. I believe Coolidge was the first to shave his pubic hair.

Your information is semi-correct. Taft was the one who shaved Coolidge's pubic hair.