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Large fires usually start small.
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Large fires usually start small.
Thermal
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And large mobs of arsonists usually start more than one small fire.
If the little punk had bought ten little fire extinguishers and stored them with his LARPer buddies instead of a rifle and thirty rounds of .223, it would speak far more positively to his intentions that night. What he spent effort and money on was shooting people, and that's it. A small prop borrowed from a friend does not negate that.
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Most of the people there were not arsonists. Only a few (like Rosenbaum) were.
He didn't buy the gun for that night. Your comparison is obvious crap.
Thermal
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So? We are talking about what Kyle prepared for. The town had widespread arson on the previous nights. His little kitchen fire extinguisher was useless at that scale. Had he dropped a few bucks on a backpack full of them, again, he would have some credibility. A bull **** prop is a bull **** prop.
Yeah, the only thing he found worthy of spending money on was a sling. For the rifle. That he made sure to load thirty rounds in. And fired some of them, killing and maiming people.
What he made ample preparations for for is what he proceeded to do. That's it.
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It's useless in preventing all fires at all locations, sure.
That doesn't mean it's useless. Stopping one fire can accomplish quite a lot.
You keep trying to come up with after-the-fact standards to apply in order to invalidate his efforts. This is a very tempting tactic to use, especially in cases where things go sideways, but it's still bull ****.
People have a right to try to protect property. They even have the right to do so sub-optimally. Yet somehow, the one thing you WON'T rage against is the people actually intent on destroying property.
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plague311
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Don't be foolish, he would have still had to sleep.
Thermal
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Of course it would have a small use. That's exactly what Kyle prepared for with it; a very piddling attempt at a single small fire. What he more substantially prepared for was putting 30 high powered rounds into human beings.
Negative. Carrying a gun is my up-front standard. If you carry one, your intent is to kill. Period. It may be justifiable, it may not. But that is your avowed intent over any other consideration: you want the ability to kill. No sugar coaring with euphemisms about self-defense if you make no defensive efforts or expenditures and only focus on a killing tool. That's what you want to do.
And Kyle was in no way prepared to protect the stranger's trashed car lot beyond the quickie squirt. The odds are pretty slim that he would have made any difference with that, in light of the previous two nights of widespread devastation. It was testified in court that only Kyle brought the only fire extinguisher. I'm sure the other play soldiers just forgot. They sure did remember their rifles and laser pointers to threaten the protesters with, though.
Again, negatory. They were criminals. Although on that night they were not violent till the police pushed them down Sheridan till they met the rifle boys.
The rifle boys did not stop a damn thing, and many of us think they provoked the hostilities that night. Debatable, of course. But if you want to take on a mob, and you have nothing but rifles and a single kitchen fire extinguisher, what exactly are you going to do?
I've put this question to you and others, with no answer. What exactly could Kyle and the "Kenosha Guard", complete with their underage conscripts, do to protect this trashed car lot? We've established that they had one small kitchen fire extinguisher. So they could put out a small fire. Not that he had any training with putting out a burning car with gas tank and other compressed chemicals. Nor did he have a respirator or flame resistant clothing. He was wearing a t-shirt, IIRC? So he was in no way prepared to protect Kenosha from much more than a carelessly flicked cigarette.
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That's just stupid. But even more than that, if that's really your standard, then none of the other bull **** excuses you came up with even matter. You should have just said this from the start, and then I'd know that there's no point in discussing this any further.
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Do you think Pirro on Ingrahm cougared him out of his virginity?
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He might find the owners of THIS hotel in Philadephia willing to hire him as a concierge ---
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Quick correction: The fire extinguisher carried along by Kyle in haste to CarSource3 was not taken from Black's home, but rather, proffered by another citizen at the Ultimate gas station.
Also, there was a brief interaction captured on video (and shown in court) between Kyle and some others who came along carrying small fire extinguishers at the same time when he and Ryan Balsh became separated across the street from Ultimate. The use of these small fire-fighting devices was apparently effective that night, to stop little blazes from expanding into big ones, and Kyle was not the only one using them.
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Quick correction: The fire extinguisher carried along by Kyle in haste to CarSource3 was not taken from Black's home, but rather, proffered by another citizen at the Ultimate gas station.
Also, there was a brief interaction captured on video (and shown in court) between Kyle and some others who came along carrying small fire extinguishers at the same time when he and Ryan Balsh became separated across the street from Ultimate. The use of these small fire-fighting devices was apparently effective that night, to stop little blazes from expanding into big ones, and Kyle was not the only one using them.
Are you claiming that Kyle put out a fire(s)? Not sure by your wording.
I see that the claim that Rittenhouse put out a dumpster fire is false, as stated by his own attorneys. Are there any other claims?
autumn1971
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********. Those types of extinguishers can maybe stop a single small pan with a contained grease-fire.
One of them could never put out even the smallest of campfires.
You walk into my protest brandishing a weapon and then shot someone?
I’ll make you eat that fire extinguisher
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Several people were using them to extinguish fires. Including dumpster fires.
Your claim that they could not be effective is debunked right there.
During direct examination of Kyle Rittenhouse, Prosecutor Binger introduced video taken by Richie McGinnis, as he followed Kyle and Ryan along Sheridan Road, when they departed from CarSource and proceeded beyond the police lines towards the Ultimate location.
That video can be seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG8PhtFrO0Y (starting at 1:31:30) and you will notice several citizens carrying fire extinguishers, as they appear into the scene from the right, encountering the two armed men.
From my limited understanding, the people in this small grouping were peaceful protestors, and they had ostensibly been trying to prevent violent arsonist protestors lighting fires. The skateboard dude had two slung over his shoulder, the injured guy (he had been shot by the police with a non-lethal round in his shoulder earlier) had one, and the blonde girl had a small extinguisher in her hand.
These Kenosha citizens were doing what they could to maintain some semblance of level-headedness within that night of chaos.
Kyle Rittenhouse intended to put out the fire in the SUV. (dubbed "The Duramax")
As he came upon the flaming vehicle, Joshua Ziminski confronted him with a handgun drawn, as Joseph Rosenbaum ran up from his hiding spot behind cars and Kyle instantly realized what these men were intending, namely, a brazen armed robbery of his AR15.
And potentially his own demise.
That is what happened.
That is why the jury found him Not Guilty of 'murdering' Rosenbum. (the 'someone' you referred to).
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I'm sure you are joking, but Rittenhouse (or its unanglophied spelling: Rettinghaus) is an honorable name in Philadelphia, so we don't want Kyle's stain on it.
Eww. She was booking a bunch of hotel rooms for the Jan 6 people, so maybe she gets a good deal.
There was at least one "Kiss me Kyle" sign at the AmericaFest get-together. Also, he's posting photos on social media from "the mountains" so there could be a ski bunny thing. Honestly, I hope he's getting laid left and right - he'll probably be happier and maybe less harmful that way.
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He could make t-shirts. "I took a shot from Kyle and lived!"
You're ignoring causality and linear time here. You seem to be claiming that the group attacked Rittenhouse because he defended himself when they attacked him? What?
Besides which, we know from the trial why Rittenhouse was attacked. They were pissed that Rittenhouse and others were going around putting out fires after being assured by the political leaders of Kenosha that the town would be a sacrifice to BLM and that the police and fire department wouldn't try to save the town. And here were these stupid Bourgeoisie who didn't get the memo and wasn't allowing BLM to have their fun. Which makes all the "Fire extinguishers to put out fires? How preposterous!" Monday morning quarterbacking in this thread all the funnier.
How else do you explain Rosenbaum's explicit death threat to Rittenhouse and the other defenders? "If I catch any of you [people protecting the town] alone, I'll kill you" is pretty clear, and pretty clearly exactly what they were attempting to do. But no, let's just ignore that and assume they must have had a good reason to attack Rittenhouse when he was lured away and separated from the other defenders. It can't have anything to do with the prior death threats.
No, they knew that if they attacked Rittenhouse, he would defend himself giving them the perfect excuse to attack him.
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You're ignoring causality and linear time here. You seem to be claiming that the group attacked Rittenhouse because he defended himself when they attacked him? What?
Besides which, we know from the trial why Rittenhouse was attacked. They were pissed that Rittenhouse and others were going around putting out fires after being assured by the political leaders of Kenosha that the town would be a sacrifice to BLM and that the police and fire department wouldn't try to save the town. And here were these stupid Bourgeoisie who didn't get the memo and wasn't allowing BLM to have their fun. Which makes all the "Fire extinguishers to put out fires? How preposterous!" Monday morning quarterbacking in this thread all the funnier.
How else do you explain Rosenbaum's explicit death threat to Rittenhouse and the other defenders? "If I catch any of you [people protecting the town] alone, I'll kill you" is pretty clear, and pretty clearly exactly what they were attempting to do. But no, let's just ignore that and assume they must have had a good reason to attack Rittenhouse when he was lured away and separated from the other defenders. It can't have anything to do with the prior death threats.
No, they knew that if they attacked Rittenhouse, he would defend himself giving them the perfect excuse to attack him.
Nonsense. Rittenhouse was attacked because he provoked the crowd for the purpose of having and excuse to "defend himself" with deadly force.