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Black hole hidden within its own exhaust


http://m.phys.org/news/2016-09-black-hole-hidden-exhaust.html

""These clouds are traveling so fast that they reach 'escape velocity' and are jettisoned in a cone-like spray from both sides of the disk," said Gallimore. "With ALMA, we can for the first time see that it is the gas that is thrown out that hides the black hole, not the gas falling in." This suggests that the general theory of an active black hole is oversimplified, he concludes.

With future ALMA observations, the astronomers hope to work out a fuel budget for this black hole engine: how much mass per year goes into the black hole and how much is ejected as exhaust.

"These are fundamental quantities for understanding black holes that we really don't have a good handle on at this time," concludes Gallimore."


Yes Yes.

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Tuxford - 22 hours ago
"But like any engine, a black hole can also emit exhaust." That exhaust, astronomers discovered, is the likely source of the torus of material that effectively obscures the region around the galaxy's supermassive black hole from optical telescopes.

Indeed! As I have been saying for years, the core star is not black, but rather grey. It is not infinitely dense, but reaches a limited density, unlike the fabled singularity. To think otherwise is simply a math fairy's fantasy.

Astronomers, you have been cajoled into nonsense thinking by math fairies. Don't fall for their tricks anymore. They are lost in math, with no reasoned logic to temper their musings."
 
Pixie of key said:
Tuxford - 22 hours ago
"But like any engine, a black hole can also emit exhaust." That exhaust, astronomers discovered, is the likely source of the torus of material that effectively obscures the region around the galaxy's supermassive black hole from optical telescopes.

Indeed! As I have been saying for years, the core star is not black, but rather grey. It is not infinitely dense, but reaches a limited density, unlike the fabled singularity. To think otherwise is simply a math fairy's fantasy.
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You may have been saying that but what you quoted said nothing of the sort.


Pixie of key said:
Astronomers, you have been cajoled into nonsense thinking by math fairies. Don't fall for their tricks anymore. They are lost in math, with no reasoned logic to temper their musings."
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Have you tried that rope experiment yet?
 
Always funny how some need to misappropriate the work (which they don't understand) by others.
Even funnier is, that they simply make an utterly uneducated guess at which work by which others is valid and which is not.
Delusion driven pseudo 'science'.
 
the stars are composed "ziljoons" atomic nuclei . protons and neutrons are composed ziljoons of quarks . You know that? One proton is ziljoons quarks. Naturally, the quarks consist of even smaller microdermabrasion which is jointly curd "ziljoons" . is the density of the stars and the size of which changes . Quarks have of course, the density and the volume of which changes .

Space itself is not made up anything. space moving agent consists of separate structures that move relation to each other , and therefore the density of the expanding material and the volume changes in space.

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expanding space is the concept from hat that no one can explain .

some explanation of what the company has been given to me .

1. expanding the space itself is expanding in inside itself some way somehow.

2. What happens expanding for space as it expands ?

space metric grid grows .

What is it based ?

It is based on the fact that space is expanding.

funny answers , you know .

Rakkautta
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Pixie of key said:
expanding space is the concept from hat that no one can explain .

some explanation of what the company has been given to me .

1. expanding the space itself is expanding in inside itself some way somehow.

2. What happens expanding for space as it expands ?

space metric grid grows .

What is it based ?

It is based on the fact that space is expanding.

funny answers , you know .

Rakkautta
1038
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Yes, we know that is the "funny answers" you just like to give to yourself as opposed to the answers and explanations you have been given here.




Have you tried that rope experiment yet?
 
Daylightstar said:
You'd need to hold his hand, he can't do it alone.
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Wouldn't help. In the one video that Pixie of key tried to pawn off as that experiment he/she was just pushing a clipboard with a finger and just a bit of string or something between the finger and the clipboard. So not in accordance with the given experimental conditions (the length of the string or rope and that it be fully extended). It is obvious that Pixie of key understands that trying to push something with such a flexible material would simply compress the material. So when it comes to someone simply not accepting what they apparently already understand, well, no one can help them with that except themselves.
 
Pixie of key said:
the stars are composed "ziljoons" atomic nuclei . protons and neutrons are composed ziljoons of quarks . You know that? One proton is ziljoons quarks. Naturally, the quarks consist of even smaller microdermabrasion which is jointly curd "ziljoons" . is the density of the stars and the size of which changes . Quarks have of course, the density and the volume of which changes .

Space itself is not made up anything. space moving agent consists of separate structures that move relation to each other , and therefore the density of the expanding material and the volume changes in space.

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Yes, and stars can expanding slow way and be later red giant or fast way like supernova.

Also quarks can expanding and thats what happening all a time.

Also expanding quarks recycling expanding movement / energy / pushing force all a time.

Also light expanding and move faster and faster same way what material and light expanding.

Space is eternal and infinity place which is nothing. So, space cant expanding or changing any way.

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Pixie of key said:
expanding space is the concept from hat that no one can explain .

some explanation of what the company has been given to me .

1. expanding the space itself is expanding in inside itself some way somehow.

2. What happens expanding for space as it expands ?

space metric grid grows .

What is it based ?.........
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That random word generator needs a re-boot.
 
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Wouldn't help. In the one video that Pixie of key tried to pawn off as that experiment he/she was just pushing a clipboard with a finger and just a bit of string or something between the finger and the clipboard. So not in accordance with the given experimental conditions (the length of the string or rope and that it be fully extended). It is obvious that Pixie of key understands that trying to push something with such a flexible material would simply compress the material. So when it comes to someone simply not accepting what they apparently already understand, well, no one can help them with that except themselves.
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So ..... nobody.
 
Pixie of key fantasizes about science - item 113

Pixie of key said:
Black hole hidden within its own exhaust


http://m.phys.org/news/2016-09-black-hole-hidden-exhaust.html

""These clouds are traveling so fast that they reach 'escape velocity' and are jettisoned in a cone-like spray from both sides of the disk," said Gallimore. "With ALMA, we can for the first time see that it is the gas that is thrown out that hides the black hole, not the gas falling in." This suggests that the general theory of an active black hole is oversimplified, he concludes.

With future ALMA observations, the astronomers hope to work out a fuel budget for this black hole engine: how much mass per year goes into the black hole and how much is ejected as exhaust.

"These are fundamental quantities for understanding black holes that we really don't have a good handle on at this time," concludes Gallimore."
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The repeated delusion his delusions can explain anything from a Finnish physics crackpot with no known mathematical ability, little knowledge of physics shown, lots of hand waving and some primitive videos.
 
Pixie of key said:
Tuxford - 22 hours ago..
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The delusion that parroting ignorant delusions from other people in a comment on a science article make his fantasies look correct from a Finnish physics crackpot with no known mathematical ability, little knowledge of physics shown, lots of hand waving and some primitive videos.

The science about the real world: Black hole hidden within its own exhaust
Supermassive black holes, millions to billions of times the mass of our Sun, are found at the centers of galaxies. Many of these galactic behemoths are hidden within a thick doughnut-shape ring of dust and gas known as a torus. Previous observations suggest these cloaking, tire-like structures are formed from the native material found near the center of a galaxy

New data from the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA), however, reveal that the black hole at the center of a galaxy named NGC 1068 is actually the source of its own dusty torus of dust and gas, forged from material flung out of the black hole's accretion disk.
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Pixie of key: Lies again abut expansind space not being explained to him

Pixie of key said:
expanding space is the concept from hat that no one can explain .
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A repeated lie from a Finnish physics crackpot with no known mathematical ability, little knowledge of physics shown, lots of hand waving and some primitive videos because expanding space has been explained to him several times. It is not our problem that he is too deluded/ignorant about science/in denial of science/obsessed with his delusions/? to understand the explanations.

28 September 2008: The denial that galaxies are made up of stars and are not all one particle. Have you ever looked through a telescope? Have you ever read anything about astronomy.
28 September 2008: Pixie of key: Your video is entitled "Quasars" and is totally wrong about what quasars are.
Followed by 5 years of posts containing more gibberish and ignorance then:
29 August 2013: The evidence for the Big Bang is presented and Pixy of key replies with years of ignorance and fantasies!
20 October 2014: 21 fantasies and delusions from Pixie of key.
15 December 2014: Summary of Pixy of key's 25 fantasies about science since 20 October 2014 (millions more to come :p)
15 December 2014 Pixie of key: questions and ignorance (plus some delusions) as at 15 December 2014
 
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Hubble detects giant 'cannonballs' shooting from star


http://m.phys.org/news/2016-10-hubble-giant-cannonballs-star.html


"Great balls of fire! NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has detected superhot blobs of gas, each twice as massive as the planet Mars, being ejected near a dying star. The plasma balls are zooming so fast through space it would take only 30 minutes for them to travel from Earth to the moon. This stellar "cannon fire" has continued once every 8.5 years for at least the past 400 years, astronomers estimate."

Well, there is pushing force, of course!

But where is pulling force / curving space now?

Some holiday time for pulling force?

This is same phenomena that Sun spots, Jupiter redspot and hurricanes. I mean how and why this phenomena born.

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You are aware of the fact that stars fueled by nuclear fusion and thus are pretty much semi stable nuclear explosions right?

And in a dying star that whole semi stable thing goes out of the window.
The phenomena resembles a bullet leaving a gun and in no way any of the other things you compare it to.
 
Pixie of key fantasizes about science - item 114

Pixie of key said:
Hubble detects giant 'cannonballs' shooting from star


http://m.phys.org/news/2016-10-hubble-giant-cannonballs-star.html


"Great balls of fire! NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has detected superhot blobs of gas, each twice as massive as the planet Mars, being ejected near a dying star. The plasma balls are zooming so fast through space it would take only 30 minutes for them to travel from Earth to the moon. This stellar "cannon fire" has continued once every 8.5 years for at least the past 400 years, astronomers estimate."
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Well there is also abysmal ignorance of physics from a Finnish physics crackpot with no known mathematical ability, little knowledge of physics shown, lots of hand waving and some primitive videos!
This is nothing to do with deluded gibberish, Pixie of key. This is a star collecting material from its companion and then ejecting it.
Hubble detects giant 'cannonballs' shooting from star
This four-panel graphic illustrates how the binary-star system V Hydrae is launching balls of plasma into space. Panel 1 shows the two stars orbiting each other. One of the stars is nearing the end of its life and has swelled in size, becoming a red giant. In panel 2, the smaller star's orbit carries the star into the red giant's expanded atmosphere. As the star moves through the atmosphere, it gobbles up material from the red giant, which settles into a disk around the star. The buildup of material reaches a tipping point and is eventually ejected as blobs of hot plasma along the star's spin axis, shown in panel 3. This ejection process is repeated every eight years, the time it takes for the orbiting star to make another pass through the bloated red giant's envelope, shown in panel 4.
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