One possible way to end Affirmative Action?

[Genghis Pwn]

What if a bunch of white high school kids started listing themselves as "African American" on college applications in order to take advantage of the unfair Affirmative Action system?

If it came down to it, the white kids could cite recent mitochondrial DNA evidence that suggests all modern humans came from African ancestors. Or the white kids could just say, "Prove I am not African American." Then the schools would be in the messy position of having to make ALL applicants prove their African or Hispanic lineage. Lol, good luck with that. I'm from Europe and I can't even trace my family tree back more than a hundred and fifty years or so.

What would the liberals do to counter this tactic? Bring out the old skin color test cards? Haha. I would like to see that! It would expose them so perfectly.

 

[c0rbin]

If only our pale-faced ancestors had been so thoughtful.

 

[Tricky]

Oh, people have been finding loopholes for years. In fact, our erstwhile VP, Dan Quayle used a program that was designed for (but not limited to) disadvantaged students in order to get into law school. I guess he thought that just being Dan Quayle was disadvantage enough.

 

[Genghis Pwn]

Has anyone tried the DNA "out of Africa" thing in court? Do universities use skin color cards now?

 

[Tony]

Ive been putting "native american" on forms that have inquired about my "race" for years (since highschool).

 

[Genghis Pwn]

Smart move, Tony.

I am going to put African American from here on out. I have been listing my religion as "The Force" for years already.

 

[jj]

Will someone please turn on the fan when they leave the outhouse?

 

[subgenius]

Smart move, Tony.

I am going to put African American from here on out. I have been listing my religion as "The Force" for years already.

What a coincidence that sounds like Jedi Knight! You may have seen his posts, he's universally respected for his careful citation of fact and well-reasoned opinions.

 

[JAR]

What a coincidence that sounds like Jedi Knight! You may have seen his posts, he's universally respected for his careful citation of fact and well-reasoned opinions.

I've noticed that Jedi Knight tends not to comment on subjects regarding race relations in the U.S. He tends to comment on gender relations and subjects regarding Arabs, Israel and Islam.

 

[Jedi Knight]

What a coincidence that sounds like Jedi Knight! You may have seen his posts, he's universally respected for his careful citation of fact and well-reasoned opinions.

Worshipped even.

JK

 

[Suddenly]

I'm partial to "other" as these race questions never have the correct answer ... "human."

 

[Dancing David]

"other" or "martian"

the problem is that there is bias in the system as a whole.

College admissions in the Michigan case, the person fighting affirmative action just happened to ignore all the unworthy white people who got into school as well. People get into law school because of influence, prestige, thier family giving money, thier family having gone to the law school.

In another thread there was a fair suggestion that only economic status should be considered in affirmative action.

 

[Tony]

College admissions in the Michigan case, the person fighting affirmative action just happened to ignore all the unworthy white people who got into school as well. People get into law school because of influence, prestige, thier family giving money, thier family having gone to the law school.

How do you know?

In another thread there was a fair suggestion that only economic status should be considered in affirmative action.

Yeah, that was me. But I didnt come up with the idea, I read it somewhere else.

 

[subgenius]

DD: "People get into (law-ed.) school because of influence, prestige, thier family giving money, thier family having gone to the (law) school."

Now what current president would you be referring to?
Think he got in on merit?

 

[Ladewig]

I see your point, GP. If I were on your side, I would recommend choosing "Native Alaskan or Innuit" over "African American." It would be harder to disprove and that minority is exceptionally underrepresented, so those applicants may have an edge on the black applicants.

I don't have a problem with affirmative action in colleges. If the goal of college is to provide a well-rounded education, then ensuring a variety of races (and ethnic backgrounds and economic backgrounds) helps achieve that goal. By allowing race to be one small factor in the application process, more good than harm is done.

Lastly, many white applicants point out that a black student may have been accepted even though that student had lower SAT scores. What they aren't aware of (or choose to ignore) is that many white students that were accepted had lower SAT scores as well. Schools that require admission interviews place emphasis on a variety factors: maturity, discipline, deportment, communication skills, background, leadership, etc. I've met teenagers that have acceptable SAT scores that I would not want in my university (if I ran one).

 

[c0rbin]

And, as I have discussed in other threads...race tends to find its way into many of the other criteria--even those that aren't outrightly race-based.

Like alumni consideration. Some colleges favor candidates whose parents were alumni. Since blacks were not even aloud in many universities barely 40 years ago, a black candidate might not get this kind of advantage.

So, it evens out over time.

 

[shuize]

My question is where do we draw the line? If affirmative action is used in undergraduate admissions, that's one thing. But after the "disadvantaged" individuals have received a "leg-up" to get into university and prove themselves, should affirmative action be used as a basis to get into graduate programs such as law school? If so, should it be used again to guarantee the now twice benefited job applicants an additional advantage in gaining employment? In this scenario I have to wonder about the stated purpose of affirmative action to "level the playing field."

If affirmative action programs are still in place two or three steps (undergraduate admissions, graduate school admissions, and employment recruiting) along the career path, doesn't that seem to suggest that no matter how many chances are provided for some to "compete equally," they really can't?

Personally, some of the brightest people I have ever met have come from so-called "under-represented" groups. On the other hand, I have met others who, I am certain, would never have been hired if not for some "diversity" program. Unfortunately, the second group reflects poorly on the first, who, I am certain, would never need such a crutch in the first place. They, of course, stand on their own merit and are the last ones to cry "racism" at the slightest criticism.

 

[JAR]

I don't have a problem with affirmative action in colleges. If the goal of college is to provide a well-rounded education, then ensuring a variety of races (and ethnic backgrounds and economic backgrounds) helps achieve that goal. By allowing race to be one small factor in the application process, more good than harm is done.

I see you are talking about forced integrated education where you take two or more ethnic groups that are quite different and possibly culturally incompatible with each other and force them to live together.

Using it at elementary schools, middle schools and high schools is an easy way to increase the white supremacists population. When middle and upper class white kids have their food stolen at lunch-time by lower class Mexican and black kids, are mugged in restrooms and are treated badly in other ways, it comes as no surprise when these kids seek to gain revenge against the system that hates them by joining neo-nazi organizations.

 

[Lothian]

Using it at elementary schools, middle schools and high schools is an easy way to increase the white supremacists population. When middle and upper class white kids have their food stolen at lunch-time by lower class Mexican and black kids, are mugged in restrooms and are treated badly in other ways, it comes as no surprise when these kids seek to gain revenge against the system that hates them by joining neo-nazi organizations.

Interesting theory. Do all Mexicans and blacks steal the white kids lunches or just the lower class ones ? Do they ever mug middle and upper class Mexicans and blacks. What about the lower class white kids do they mug and steal food from the upper and middle class blacks and Mexicans?

 

[Malachi151]

I never understood oposition to AA.

Its clear that some minorities are under privlidged.

Now, lets say that some black kid gets into a college because of his race, because of AA.

Are you saying that you would rather that this kid NOT get into college?

What do you think will ultimate better effect on society? Do you think that blacks staying poor and less educated is going to help in some way? Isn't there a better chance that this person will become a better and more productive member of society if they a job, an education, whatever.?

Or would you rather they just stay unemployed and collect welfare?

I don't get it, the same people who hate AA also hate welfare. So, which is it?

What you really want is for these people to just die and go away. Well, that's not going to happen.

You can either help the disadvantaged or let them help themselves to stealing your car and using welfare. Unless of couse you think that a black man with no college degree has other wonderful oppertunities waiting for him, asside of course from joining the front lines in Bush's imperial army.