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One paranormal/psychic experience I know of

neponset

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This is a modest but true story. Make of it what you wish.

My mother was terminally ill from heart disease and was very near death. She was quite afraid of dying. The mother of my brother's girlfriend at the time (now his wife) allegedly had some psychic ability and was asked by my brother if she could offer our mother any consolation. She told him to tell her Alice would be there waiting for her.

When my brother told me that, I didn't get it because the only Alice I could remember was a neighbor who lived in the house behind my mother for a few years, but while they were friendly, they were hardly close. But then my brother said no, there was another Alice, and suddenly that made perfect sense. This Alice had died so many years before that I had completely forgotten about her, but they had been very close. They had grown up together and gone to the same schools, and Alice later moved to the same town about a mile away. Parenthetically, Alice had died quite suddenly from a cerebral hemorrhage, and was found on the kitchen floor by her young son when he came home from school.

I met this psychic woman only once briefly. She seemed quite shy and unassuming. From what I understand she communicated through some Catholic saint although to my knowledge she was not particularly devout. She did not have these revelations or whatever you choose to call them very often, and she did not accept anything in return for them according to my brother. As I understand it, the whole thing was rather a private matter within the family. I regret that I do not have any statistics on the accuracy of her predictions.

I cannot say whether I really believe in her abilities or not. She never volunteered anything of interest to me, nor did I ask. The only thing she said to my mother was what I described above, and I think even a hardened skeptic would have to admit that it was an extraordinary coincidence to randomly pick the one name that in my opinion would be the most appropriate person in this case. When I went through my mother's personal belongings after she died I did find materials relating to a number of other people I recalled, but Alice was in my mind the closest person to her throughout her life, except for her own mother. Let's admit it, Alice is not that common a name, and I have no reason to believe this person would have acquired any detailed knowledge of my mother's life by any method.

I was not at the hospital when my brother conveyed this information to my mother, but he said it was a great comfort to her, as I would expect under the circumstances. My brother did not recall having mentioned Alice to the woman, and given that he had been dating her daughter very briefly at that time, there is no reason that her name would have come up. He told me himself he had forgotten about Alice, as I had, until her name was mentioned.

As for myself, I am in a very nominal sense Christian, but in reality somewhere between agnostic and atheistic. I think you only have to open your eyes or watch 5 minutes of the news to see that there is no such thing as a benevolent god. I think religion is just a psychological crutch to help man deal with the uncertainties of life, and especially of death. The Bible says God made man in His image, but to me it seems just the other way around. And if there is one true god, why are there so many different competing religions? And why does the Bible supposedly have internal inconsistencies among the Gospels? Seems hard to explain.

I do like the idea of the near-death experience, but that is not to say I believe it. I found Kenneth Ring's book 'Life at Death' (title?) intriguing, but don't know what to make of it in the final analysis. I have no idea what happens to us after we die, and no strong opinions on the question either.

By training I have degrees in biology and computer information systems. I consider myself a scientist.

I did see Randi a number of years ago in a PBS Nova program debunking the various fraudulent psychics like Yuri Geller and exposing their techniques. John Edward and the rest of them are obvious frauds, no doubt about it, but that is not necessarily to dismiss the phenomenon altogether. Ultimately we believe what we choose to believe.
 
Welcome to the forums, neponset!

I just wanted to make the quick observation that "Alice" may not be as rare a name as you might think, expecially for the previous generation.

Alice is a very popular female first name, ranking 51 out of 4275 for females of all ages in the 1990 U.S. Census. Alice is a well-used surname, ranking 32489 out of 88799 for people of all ages in the 1990 U.S. Census.

This is from a website that actually has a graph showing it's rise and fall.
 
So, this Alice who had died many years ago would supposedly be waiting, but her own mother (assuming she had previously died) would not? What about a husband? Or another contemporary friend who had died more recently?

The name Alice was once more common than today. Your mother probably knew many people with different names. The psychic only has to get lucky with one. And how come psychics never get a last name? Maybe surnames are forbidden on the "other side"?
 
Two observations: It's not entirely clear from what you posted--are you certain this woman had no opportunity to discuss this with your mother (or your brother)? From what you have said, I would assume Alice would be very much on your mother's mind during this difficult time.

The other point is that if she had thrown out a name that was not meaningful you would not have thought much of the incident and would not be telling us about it now. There are many such forgotten incidents out there.
 
I fear I was not entirely convinced by the story. To put it a little more bluntly, I am wondering what was significant about this revelation. You mentioned at first the only Alice you could think of was a minor acquantance at first. However, that's one person named Alice you knew right there. You admit that THIS Alice was just a random guess right? That is, by sheer chance she nailed that person's name even if you think she actually meant some other Alice?

So, that shows pretty clearly that she could have named someone by chance, correct? Well, that said, the accuracy of the name is pretty much irrelevent.

With that, we have the fact that one person was close to your mother. The name being irrelevent, how about the fact she meant something? Well, all this psychic did was name a name, and without that name, then in what manner has she pinpointed that other Alice specifically? There seems to be no connection without that name, and with that name there were TWO Alices your mother knew and you are the one who went on from there to decide which one it had to be.

Sorry, but the connection between your mother and this first Alice is something you yourself discovered and the psychic had nothing to do with. The name was the only connection, and it's clear that could just be chance since your mother knew two people named Alice.

It's a "nothing" as far as I can tell, except for one thing. Her random name led you to find out something about your mother you apparently weren't fully aware of. That in and of itself is something at least, but it doesn't seem to be the result of any psychic powers.
 
You did not remember Alice, but your brother did.

But then my brother said no, there was another Alice

He may have mentioned Alice in a prior conversation with your girlfriend's mom.
 
Welcome to the forums, neponset!

I just wanted to make the quick observation that "Alice" may not be as rare a name as you might think, expecially for the previous generation.

This is from a website that actually has a graph showing it's rise and fall.

And why do you suppose the psychic selected the 51st most popular name, rather than the most popular name?
 
You say that Alice was the best friend of your mother, even though she had died many years earlier? At a relatively young age? Ask yourself, truely, if there is no one else that could be considered a very close friend of your mothers - living or dead. I'm wondering if there's some kind of confirmation bias here - you may be subconsciously out to justify the name Alice as someone close to your mother. Psychics rely on this all the time when giving readings - a favorite trick of John Edward's was to tell people to 'go home and think about it' when he was wrong, in the hopes that they would try to justify his mistake.

Please, by no means take this as a condemnation of your mother-in-law. It's very possible she does this without realizing how she's getting the information (guessing or recalling past conversations instead of talking to saints). Ask yourself, which is more probable?
 
And why do you suppose the psychic selected the 51st most popular name, rather than the most popular name?

I honestly don't know. However, I was responding to this statement by neponset

Let's admit it, Alice is not that common a name...

which isn't really true since it's in the top 1.2% overall, and even higher for "his" Alice's generation.
 
Hey, we're taking small towns here. I figure the psychic has some 'hot reading' material from gossip. If the whole world has 6 degrees of separation, small towns have...um... at most...two?
 
Thanks for sharing your story. It is, as you said, a modest story. Not the most extraordinary of co-incidences, but not exactly a high probability hit either. I found it interesting.
 
I honestly don't know. However, I was responding to this statement by neponset

which isn't really true since it's in the top 1.2% overall, and even higher for "his" Alice's generation.

I'm going to assume that Neponset's mother grew up in the United States and was born sometime in the first half of the 20th Century. Figures from the Social Security Administration -- http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames -- show that Mary was overwhelmingly the most popular name for American girls in every decade of the first half of that Century, with Alice ranging between the 11th and 41st most popular. Specifically, in the 1900s, Marys outnumbered Alices by more than 4.5 to one and this ratio increased steadily in each decade. By the 1940s, this ratio was almost 9 to one.

Perhaps Neponset can let us know where and when his mother was born, but it would have seemingly made little sense for the psychic to choose Alice over Mary as the name Neponset's mother would have been most likely to relate to, unless the psychic knew that his mother had a close friend named Alice.
 
I work at a mortuary, and believe me, Alice is a very common name amongst the older generation. I think the fact that it's popularity has fallen off in the last few decades may dilute some of the statistics. You'd be hard pressed to find someone over the age of fifty who never knew an Alice. I'm only 36 and I've known at least two.
 
Rodney:

If I ran the same scam as many of these psychics, I wouldn't always pick the top name, or even the top ten. It becomes a bit too predictable. I'd either use, say, the top fifty and mix them around a bit, or pick thirty or fourty randomly out of the top 100 (making sure that the top ten were in there too).

Even the 40th most popular name is likely to generate a hit for someone, especially when one adds in friends, uncles, grandparents, cousins, friends of friends, etc, etc, etc.

Also, might be useful to look at where Alice ranks in overall listings, or the prevalence fo rthe last, say, 60 years or so. THat's another advantage to psychics, it doesn't have to be someone the mark knew directly...you can go back a couple generations.
 
I work at a mortuary, and believe me, Alice is a very common name amongst the older generation. I think the fact that it's popularity has fallen off in the last few decades may dilute some of the statistics. You'd be hard pressed to find someone over the age of fifty who never knew an Alice. I'm only 36 and I've known at least two.

Well, yes, but it's one probability to have known an Alice, another entirely to have had an Alice as a close friend who predeceased her. While I've known an Alice or two myself, I've never had a close friend by that name. How many close friends does one have over the course of a lifetime? I'd venture to say that for most people it's less than a dozen. That makes the probability of a hit by random chance significantly smaller for any given name.
 
it would have seemingly made little sense for the psychic to choose Alice over Mary as the name Neponset's mother would have been most likely to relate to, unless the psychic knew that his mother had a close friend named Alice.

Or unless his mother's name was Mary ;)
 
As for choosing a name as a scam, it is not sensible to go for the most common names; that would be too obvious. What you should do is choose a name that most people would know. And since most people have known a couple of hundred people at least, one in the fifties bracket is ideal: It is not an obvious no-brainer, yet you will be hard put to find somebody who hasn't known an Alice.

In the case at hand, though, I would guess that the brother's mother in law had heard about the real Alice. Obviously, with a dying mother, they might have been talking about death, and sudden death. Notice also that the brother immidiately identified the right Alice, so she was probably already on his mind.

Hans
 
Alice was undoubtedly much more popular among women of the mother's generation than in the 1990 census--if you look at the graph provided above, it's very near the top through the early part of the century. So it's not as far out as 41st, I'm guessin'. Also, the psychic never said "Alice, WHO WAS YOUR GOOD FRIEND, is waiting for you." She just said "Alice," the significance of which is left up to those involved.

Secondly, the poster was apparently not present for the discussions between brother and psychic. It's entirely possible that Alice was mentioned by someone at some point, the poster's lack of memory notwithstanding. When my grandmother was dying, she got VERY nostalgic and told us a great many stories (containing a great many random names) about various people she'd known.

A psychic naming a name, and not an uncommon one, after talking with family members who know about this person, just isn't all that impressive a trick. Now, if the psychic came up on the street and said "Olive Marie is waiting for you, along with your debauched great-grandfather who ran off with the trick-rider from the circus,"* that'd be a little more impressive.

Still, even if THAT happened, I just don't think the anecdote is under controlled enough or well-known enough circumstances to start playing the theramin music.


*A true bit of family lore! We always wanted to know more about that one...
 
Rodney:

If I ran the same scam as many of these psychics, I wouldn't always pick the top name, or even the top ten. It becomes a bit too predictable. I'd either use, say, the top fifty and mix them around a bit, or pick thirty or fourty randomly out of the top 100 (making sure that the top ten were in there too)..

But in the first half of the 20th Century in the United States there was a huge disparity between the frequency of Mary and any other girl's name. Further, the psychic here was not a stage performer who needed to mix it up. Neponset's post stated: "The mother of my brother's girlfriend at the time (now his wife) allegedly had some psychic ability and was asked by my brother if she could offer our mother any consolation. She told him to tell her Alice would be there waiting for her." Unless the psychic knew that Neponset's mother had a close friend named Alice, why wouldn't she have chosen Mary? That choice would have also had another advantage. If Neponset's mother had responded: "I've never had a close friend named Mary" the psychic could have countered: "I was talking about the Blessed Virgin." It would have been much more difficult for the psychic to counter if Neponset's mother stated that she had never had a close friend named Alice.


Even the 40th most popular name is likely to generate a hit for someone, especially when one adds in friends, uncles, grandparents, cousins, friends of friends, etc, etc, etc.

As Beth notes, it's one thing to have an acquaintance named Alice, it's another thing to have a best friend named Alice.

Also, might be useful to look at where Alice ranks in overall listings, or the prevalence fo rthe last, say, 60 years or so. THat's another advantage to psychics, it doesn't have to be someone the mark knew directly...you can go back a couple generations.

I've given you the link for baby's names. The frequency of Alice peaked around the turn of the 20th Century, but it never got within hailing distance of Mary.
 
I've given you the link for baby's names. The frequency of Alice peaked around the turn of the 20th Century, but it never got within hailing distance of Mary.

All this proves is that if she was running a deliberate scam based on the frequency of name occurance, she could have gone with a safer shot. But that doesn't mean she wasn't fishing--if we listed cases of people running scams who could have done a better job than they did, we'd be here all night!

And it still in no way rules out the possibility that somebody actually mentioned the name in the presence of the psychic, who was, after all, a family member!
 

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