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on celebrity status

Luciana

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I think it's conventional wisdom that being famous is more annoying than anything. Ok, maybe there's the price you pay for success and money. You can't be a successful actor or actress, the one who earns million, without being very famous.

There are people, however, who are millionaires but who are not known by the general public. However, being famous has its advantages. First, you're known my more people - maybe getting your mark in the world is your ambition? Second, you can use your fame to spread your ideas on just about anything. Ok, so we all hate celebs who give their opinion on politics. But then, they also give their opinions on many other topics and not as many people complain.

And what if you want to spread things you really believe in? If I were famous... impossibly famous and respected... would I hide my skepticism? Maybe, just maybe, I could use my fame to help the skeptical movement somehow? Wouldn't my testimony as a skeptic reach many people who otherwise would never hear about it?

There's not such a thing as a skeptical "authority" It couldn't be a case of argument to authority because a skeptic doesn't claim anything. It's a method and I think anyone with basic education can develop his critical thinking. So, as a celeb, I'd feel entitled

It seems to me that celebs are only criticized by their involvement with other causes if and when they choose a subject matter we're not fond of. I never saw anyone criticizing Liz Taylor for supporting the AIDS cause. But then, I never saw anyone saying that AIDS is a good thing. Now, put an actor saying he's pro or against a war... and then, apparently, celebs with an opinion are a thing of the devil. :)

In those reality-TV shows we see people who, apparently, are looking for fame only. But I disagree, I think most of them just want to be rich, and being famous is a way of accomplishing that. I think very few people would want fame for fame's sake.

So, would you like to be a celeb? :) And if you were, would you take advantage of it to spread your ideals or, like some, would you rather complain ad infinitum about it and ask to be forgotten?

I'd hate to be recognized in the streets. It's so good to be anonymous, because no one is checking you out. So what if I have a favorite dress which I like to use every other weekend until it becomes a rag? What if I lead a troubled love life - do I need to public eye to make things even more difficult? What about envy and true friendship? Going out without having combed your own hair is one of the most basic freedoms in the world. :D

But I could live with being a celebrity between my peers. Be that person that everybody recognizes the name because of competence and amount of meaningful work. Here I can see some satisfaction. Other than that, it's cool to be discreet.
 
Luciana Nery said:
. . . Going out without having combed your own hair is one of the most basic freedoms in the world. . .
Were I inclined to have a sig, I might very well consider this line.

Celeb? No

A little more money? Yes
 
Luciana Nery said:


So, would you like to be a celeb? :) And if you were, would you take advantage of it to spread your ideals or, like some, would you rather complain ad infinitum about it and ask to be forgotten?

I'd hate to be recognized in the streets. It's so good to be anonymous, because no one is checking you out. So what if I have a favorite dress which I like to use every other weekend until it becomes a rag? What if I lead a troubled love life - do I need to public eye to make things even more difficult? What about envy and true friendship? Going out without having combed your own hair is one of the most basic freedoms in the world. :D

But I could live with being a celebrity between my peers. Be that person that everybody recognizes the name because of competence and amount of meaningful work. Here I can see some satisfaction. Other than that, it's cool to be discreet.

If I were a celebrity I would want be more of a J.D. Salinger type, someone whose name is known but not his face. I would hate to be unable to walk down the street without people bothering me. That way I could lend my voice to those things that I felt it would help, but still be able to go to eat at a restaraunt in peace.

A little story. A year or two ago some of my friends and I were in Benihana's up in Reno, which is attached to one of our Hotel/Casinos. As we were getting ready to leave, the waiter tells us "Look over there, Alex Baldwin is in the Restaraunt". As we were leaving we looked in the corner of the restaraunt, near the door, and sure enough there's Alex Baldwin, sitting down in a corner booth with a pained expression as several people were coming up and asking for autographs, one lady even insisted on giving him a hug. We had no intention of going up to the man (neither I nor any of my friends are all that interested in celebrities) but as he saw our group coming in his general direction (which we had to do to get to the door) his face had an expression that almost seemed to say "oh no, not more of them".

I kind of felt sorry for him. The poor guy was probably staying at the hotel and just wanted a bite to eat. Since he was off in a corner with a newspaper, he was probably hoping not to be recognized or bothered, but the waiter pointed him out to everyone in the restaraunt. Then everyone came and bothered him. That would have pi$$ed me off, if I were him. It's exactly why I would never want to be a recognizable celebrity.
 
I can understand the lack of privacy issue. However, I have a problem when it's flaunted and then they complain. I remember Willie Mays used to drive around the San Francisco area in a pink cadillac with a "Say Hey" licence plate and then complain that people wouldn't leave him alone.

The biggest complaint I have with celebrities is when people as them there opinion on political/social issues. Earlier this year, someone was going around asking baseball players what they thought of homosexual players. One player for the Colorado Rockies made a derogatory comment. Everyone is outraged! My question is "what do you expect"?

Realistically, IMO most entertainers/athletes are really just big kids. Typically, most have no education beyond high school. They've been doing what they're doing since childhood. In short, they're perpetually 17 years old. Then, when someone asks them a serious question and we get a 17 year old response, we're shocked!
 
Luciana Nery said:
So, would you like to be a celeb? :)

Definitely!

Its one of my dreams to make myself into more than just another nameless faceless expendable American, I'd really like to be famous.

And if you were, would you take advantage of it to spread your ideals or, like some, would you rather complain ad infinitum about it and ask to be forgotten?
One of the things I dont like is celebrities who have strong political views...

Well, although I dont like them, I'm more than willing to here them out rather than pick a stranger off the street and listen to what he has to say. Something about celebrity appeal gives the celebrity an advantage when his or her opinion really means no more than the stranger off the street.

And I wouldnt hide my Evil Skepticism, in fact I'd like to see more celebrities promoting the idea of thinking critically and aquiring knowledge (and possibly the oh-so-fabled "truth" that we hear so much about).
 

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