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OMG, Election Fraud!

I opened one of those envelopes today. We have 36 -- THIRTY-SIX! -- candidates for governor. Including more than one who prefer the "Trump Republican Party", and one who prefers the "Pre 2016 Republican Party ".
It's a "top two" primary, you can declare a preference for the Tragic Monkey Shemp Moe Faux Party, if you wish.
 
Trebuchet said:
I opened one of those envelopes today. We have 36 -- THIRTY-SIX! -- candidates for governor. Including more than one who prefer the "Trump Republican Party", and one who prefers the "Pre 2016 Republican Party ".
It's a "top two" primary, you can declare a preference for the Tragic Monkey Shemp Moe Faux Party, if you wish.
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Can you write in Boaty McBoatface for me? TIA.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That's trivial tripe. Some absentee ballots come from ex-pats and soldiers overseas. Those trickle in a week or so later than everyone else's.

Who cares if someone votes an hour (past mail pickup) or a day late? Sometimes polling places stay open because people are in line at closing time.

Who cares?
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The people whose job it is to look for the postmark, I suppose.
 
My God! How has Oregon managed for all these mail-in-only elections for years? I guess that explains the Geico gecko in my city council!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Who cares if someone votes an hour (past mail pickup) or a day late? Sometimes polling places stay open because people are in line at closing time.

Who cares?
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Republicans care, because they are in the minority. They can't win fair and square, so they have to find ways to suppress democrat votes. For a while the gerrymandering etc. was sufficient to swing it, but now their support has slipped too far and they are getting desperate.

The only question is - how far will they go? Will this be first election in US history with widespread voter suppression - or even outright fraud - so blatant that Republicans will finally be seen for the criminals they are?
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Republicans care, because they are in the minority. They can't win fair and square, so they have to find ways to suppress democrat votes. For a while the gerrymandering etc. was sufficient to swing it, but now their support has slipped too far and they are getting desperate.

The only question is - how far will they go? Will this be first election in US history with widespread voter suppression - or even outright fraud - so blatant that Republicans will finally be seen for the criminals they are?
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Or will the Democrats clean Trump's clock and Biden be inaugurated on January 20, 2021?

And wow, you really don't know much about US history. Widespread voter suppression? Ever hear of poll taxes? No doubt instituted by those evil Republicans.
 
Brainster said:
Or will the Democrats clean Trump's clock and Biden be inaugurated on January 20, 2021?

And wow, you really don't know much about US history. Widespread voter suppression? Ever hear of poll taxes? No doubt instituted by those evil Republicans.
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Poll taxes were used as a means of minority voter suppression mainly in the South after the Civil War and before 1965. The years the Democrats held power in the South. However, the Dems of that era were not the Dems of today; they were far more like today's Republicans. I know Republicans hate to admit it, but the two parties basically changed ideologies while keeping their names. The "Party of Lincoln" is not the Republican Party Lincoln knew.

The South saw a major political sea change starting after World War II, as many white Southerners began migrating to the GOP due to their opposition to big government, expanded labor unions and Democratic support for civil rights, as well as conservative Christians’ opposition to abortion and other “culture war” issues.

Meanwhile, many black voters, who had remained loyal to the Republican Party since the Civil War, began voting Democratic after the Depression and the New Deal.
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https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/republican-party

The Civil Rights Acts of the mid- 1960's solidified that change.
 
Stacyhs said:
Poll taxes were used as a means of minority voter suppression mainly in the South after the Civil War and before 1965. The years the Democrats held power in the South. However, the Dems of that era were not the Dems of today; they were far more like today's Republicans. I know Republicans hate to admit it, but the two parties basically changed ideologies while keeping their names. The "Party of Lincoln" is not the Republican Party Lincoln knew.


https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/republican-party

The Civil Rights Acts of the mid- 1960's solidified that change.
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Yes, but:

1. Most of the Southerners who were adult during segregation are now dead; many of them died without switching parties. George Wallace never became a Republican, nor did Orville Faubus or Bull Connor. Nor did Robert Byrd (who was a former leader in the Klan).

2. The Democrats had the white Southerners when they were lynching and segregating. The Republicans have the white Southerners when about the worst you can say is they're opposed to Affirmative Action.
 
Brainster said:
Yes, but:

1. Most of the Southerners who were adult during segregation are now dead; many of them died without switching parties. George Wallace never became a Republican, nor did Orville Faubus or Bull Connor. Nor did Robert Byrd (who was a former leader in the Klan).
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Whether they switched parties officially or not does not mean they changed their beliefs. Wallace became a Dixiecrat which supported segregation as did Faubus and Connor. The Republicans and Dems of the post Civil War-mid 1960's were not the same parties as today. This is why the South, once predominantly Democratic is now predominantly Republican.

2. The Democrats had the white Southerners when they were lynching and segregating. The Republicans have the white Southerners when about the worst you can say is they're opposed to Affirmative Action.
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LOL! That's why white supremacists support 'liberal' Democrats and not 'conservative' Republicans, right?
 
Brainster said:
Fun with mail-in ballots in New York:
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Please do not link using Google. Kindly clean up your links before posting them.

Lots of problems, starting with the fact that ballots are returned prepaid. The Post Office doesn't usually postmark prepaid envelopes. Postal employees are trained to postmark ballots, but sometimes they forget. Andrew Cuomo went out of his way to tell voters that they could drop their ballots in the mailbox on June 23rd, but a lot of mail that is picked up on June 23rd doesn't get postmarked until June 24th.

I don't see a lot of ways around vote by mail, but expect it to be a complete FUBAR.
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That election was only four weeks ago. The electoral college meets six weeks after the election, so in theory kinks in the mail-in ballot process should be worked out by then. However, knowing how badly the US can screw up an election I'm not so certain about that.
 
Modified said:
On the same day I received a ballot for non-partisan local elections, I also got a flyer from the Democratic party telling me which school board candidates to vote for. That is the first time I got one of these. I'm registered as an independent.
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I have often wondered what the benefit is to registering as an independent, or for one of the political parties in the US. Is it meant to stop you getting mail like that? I gather in some states to vote in a primary for a party you need to be registered, but in the UK you would just be a party member and vote on a ballot paper posted to you. No state machinery involved (although you can ask the Electoral Commission to oversee it).

So who do you register with, and why? Particularly as an independent.
 
Hmm. Got to ask: What percentage of us live in the pacific NW anyway? Seems very high.

(Oregonian here btw)
 
gypsyjackson said:
I have often wondered what the benefit is to registering as an independent, or for one of the political parties in the US. Is it meant to stop you getting mail like that? I gather in some states to vote in a primary for a party you need to be registered, but in the UK you would just be a party member and vote on a ballot paper posted to you. No state machinery involved (although you can ask the Electoral Commission to oversee it).



So who do you register with, and why? Particularly as an independent.
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No registration here in my state.
 
Brainster said:
Yes, but:

1. Most of the Southerners who were adult during segregation are now dead; many of them died without switching parties. George Wallace never became a Republican, nor did Orville Faubus or Bull Connor. Nor did Robert Byrd (who was a former leader in the Klan).

2. The Democrats had the white Southerners when they were lynching and segregating. The Republicans have the white Southerners when about the worst you can say is they're opposed to Affirmative Action.
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The GOP: Not as racist right now as the Democrats used to be decades ago...
 
Random said:
The GOP: Not as racist right now as the Democrats used to be decades ago...
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Quite a few of them are. And even decades ago, it wasn't the whole Democratic Party. JFK and LBJ got the Civil Rights Act done. Racism is pretty much official Republican policy these days.

Back on topic, we have submitted our ballots without even mailing them! I just dropped them in the handy drive-up ballot box behind the courthouse.

We even voted for a candidate for Superintendent of Public Instruction who, according to this site, is a Republican. It's officially non-partisan; she seems well-qualified.

Oh, and if you do visit that site, go ahead and click on some of the governor candidates. Quite a few are sadly hilarious.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Can you write in Boaty McBoatface for me? TIA.
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Could have, but did not.
All three county commissioner candidates were female, Democrats, and well qualified. Nothing I could find to chose between them. Other than that one lives across the street so I voted for her.

This is just the primary, so only one of the three will be eliminated. The other two go on to the general.
 
Trebuchet said:
We even voted for a candidate for Superintendent of Public Instruction who, according to this site, is a Republican. It's officially non-partisan; she seems well-qualified.

Oh, and if you do visit that site, go ahead and click on some of the governor candidates. Quite a few are sadly hilarious.
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I saw this: David Blomstrom (I) - Ex-Teacher, Anti-Jewish Activist & Frequent Candidate

He sounds quite the catch. I wondered if it was an over the top description, so clicked through to his official site. This picture awaited me:

 
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