Okay, I'm about ready to declare victory...

[R.Mackey]

Welcome back, Andrew.

If you're right, then it means no debunking or even consideration of the "Truth Movement" is even needed. Instead, it would suggest that Alex Jones et. al. have merely created a framework, a role-playing milieu of sorts, and are merely watching their adherents attempt to rationalize their statements without assistance.

Interesting if true.

When I started this post, I considered the likes of Gordon Ross to be at the forefront of the "Truther" wave. Not that his arguments are correct, far from it, but at least he has heard of Physics and can apply it to simple problems. His arguments are not instantly laughable and do not fail on inspection, but require a few minutes study to find where he's either tricked himself or trying to trick you. Certainly a cut above the intellectual vandals we've had around here lately.

 

[W6102LA]

rite ur all on my ignore list now

 

[Docker]

1) Webster Tarpley

2) The cover up

 

[Oliver]

1) Webster Tarpley

Who is Webster Tarpley?

2) The cover up

Means: "I hate the Government!"

 

[R.Mackey]

1) Webster Tarpley

2) The cover up

Thank you. I've never heard of Webster Tarpley, but I will look him up.

Also, could you be a little more specific? Why him, and what exactly do you mean with your second point?

Oh, also, if you don't want to be confused with Killtown, this post of yours is exactly out of his playbook. The #) headings, and the brief and incomplete answers. You may want to change your posting style if those comparisons bother you. Entirely your choice. Thanks!

 

[Docker]

Who is Webster Tarpley?



Means: "I hate the Government!"

So you have never heard of Tarpley? What extensive reasearch you have done.

They have covered things up, hence a conspiracy.

 

[beachnut]

Who is Webster Tarpley?



Means: "I hate the Government!"

a dolt with CT quotes

 

[Oliver]

So you have never heard of Tarpley? What extensive reasearch you have done.

They have covered things up, hence a conspiracy.

Means: "I hate the Government!"

 

[Docker]

Thank you. I've never heard of Webster Tarpley, but I will look him up.

Also, could you be a little more specific? Why him, and what exactly do you mean with your second point?

Oh, also, if you don't want to be confused with Killtown, this post of yours is exactly out of his playbook. The #) headings, and the brief and incomplete answers. You may want to change your posting style if those comparisons bother you. Entirely your choice. Thanks!

Please watch Tarpleys lecture or read his book "Synthetic Terror".

He doesn't really bother with demolition etc, but he describes in detail the Able Danger scenario and the way moles and patsies are used by the CIA. It's very very convincing.

There is a cover up, the fact that Rice claimed they never imagined planes flying into buildings is a complete lie. They lied about the August 8th briefing.

I would say they are the best proponents of at least the LIHOP scenario.

 

[beachnut]

Thank you. I've never heard of Webster Tarpley, but I will look him up.

Also, could you be a little more specific? Why him, and what exactly do you mean with your second point?

Oh, also, if you don't want to be confused with Killtown, this post of yours is exactly out of his playbook. The #) headings, and the brief and incomplete answers. You may want to change your posting style if those comparisons bother you. Entirely your choice. Thanks!

he has lost is what he has said

the WT guy is nuts

The cover up is his attempt at say there is a 9/11 cover up, yet it seems he failed to make it air tight, it has holes in it

good luck with mr question!

 

[Oliver]

Please watch Tarpleys lecture or read his book "Synthetic Terror".

He doesn't really bother with demolition etc, but he describes in detail the Able Danger scenario and the way moles and patsies are used by the CIA. It's very very convincing.

There is a cover up, the fact that Rice claimed they never imagined planes flying into buildings is a complete lie. They lied about the August 8th briefing.

I would say they are the best proponents of at least the LIHOP scenario.

Means: "I hate the Government!"

And i agree with you. Even if i´m not on the Liar-Side...

 

[beachnut]

Please watch Tarpleys lecture or read his book "Synthetic Terror".

He doesn't really bother with demolition etc, but he describes in detail the Able Danger scenario and the way moles and patsies are used by the CIA. It's very very convincing.

There is a cover up, the fact that Rice claimed they never imagined planes flying into buildings is a complete lie. They lied about the August 8th briefing.

I would say they are the best proponents of at least the LIHOP scenario.

hearsay, good enough for you

but no Pulitzer Prize for this.

Now all you need, Facts! good luck mr question

 

[Gravy]

Great post, R. Mackey.

I've been wondering about this since the first time I went to Ground Zero with Abby and Chad. Since some of our opponents had been "studying" the issues for years, and were very practiced at presenting their claims to the public, I expected, at least, something challenging to deal with. They had nothing. The same tired, debunked foolishness. I kept saying to myself, "Is this it? This is all they have?" It is.

I'd say Alex Jones is the movement's spiritual (cheer)leader. But he's got so many conspiracies on his plate that he doesn't have time to specialize in one.

A few months ago CTs were looking to Steven Jones as their intellectual leader, but his work since then hasn't panned out, he still apparently won't submit to proper peer review, his "Journal" is laughable, former "Scholars" have turned on him and accused him of wrongdoing, and his forced retirement isn't going to give him credibility beyond CT circles.

The Loose Change guys show such poor judgment that I don't see them advancing the movement. They raised high expectations that the Sept. 11 protest was going to vault the movement into the national consciousness. It flopped. It doesn't sound as if the Final Cut will be bringing anything significant to the table. Fewer specifics, more insinuations, more questions.

In terms of specific theories, Russell's Pentagon work is the only thing that stands out. If I understand his current position, flight 77 did hit the Pentagon but he thinks it may have been remotely piloted. I guess that's progress.

So, no, I don't see anyone reasonable and knowledgeable stepping up to the plate with something new. People like Killtown and JDX are terrified of even having their identities known, much less of promoting their theories publicly. And since the "movement" is so factionalized, I don't see any great uniter coming along.

Helloooooo? Anyone out there? Have we seen the best from your brightest?

 

[Docker]

It's funny that Mackey declared victory over the CTs and then admits he hasn't heard of some of them. If I could write comedy like this i'd be a rich man.

 

[dirtywick]

2. What is the single most airtight argument supporting a Sept. 11th conspiracy theory? The argument must be based on established and independently verifiable fact, consideration of logical alternatives, testable, and unambiguous.

It's hard to find anything since any keywords you'd use that relate to WTC or 9/11 instantly pull up hundreds of pages of crap.

I have heard that the '93 attacks damaged the structure irreperably and the buildings were worthless, which, if true (I have no idea), could be a bit negligent of anyone who knew that. But, that's doesn't relate to staging the attacks or anything like that, so it's not really a conspiracy. But, I do find it reasonable that the buildings weren't quite what they were before '93.

 

[Oliver]

It's funny that Mackey declared victory over the CTs and then admits he hasn't heard of some of them. If I could write comedy like this i'd be a rich man.

You mean as rich as Jones and his Comedies?

 

[Anti-sophist]

It's funny that Mackey declared victory over the CTs and then admits he hasn't heard of some of them. If I could write comedy like this i'd be a rich man.

Why are you under the delusion that it's up to us to go out and disprove every single human being on the planet who has made a unproven claim, in order to "win"?

 

[Docker]

For the 17th time I am not a jones fan. I'll become one if thats convenient for you.

I have so far been accused of being killtown, pdoherty, and alex jones. I reckon i'll be told i'm Dylan next.

 

[Oliver]

For the 17th time I am not a jones fan. I'll become one if thats convenient for you.

I have so far been accused of being killtown, pdoherty, and alex jones. I reckon i'll be told i'm Dylan next.

He is DYLAN!

 

[Pardalis]

I have so far been accused of being killtown, pdoherty, and alex jones. I reckon i'll be told i'm Dylan next.

Listen, you come here, start threads making wild claims, you bring no evidence to back them up, nothing, then you leave it and start over again in another thread. 300 + posts in two days and still you have brought nothing of substance to this issue.

What do you want us to do? Can you blame us for at least trying to figure you out?