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Ok, What Was It?

Ok, What Was It?

You seem to have a conclusion that you posted in the Bigfoot Follies thread...

...I have had a few previous experiences with poltergeist activity. I don't buy into the latest explanations for that stuff, but I did witness it, along with other family members and co-workers. That tells me we still have a great deal to learn about our existence here on earth and how the universe works.

It looks like no answer so far will feel better for you than poltergeists or the mysterious universe and existence.

It's not surprising that you would be skeptical of skepticism and critical thinking.
 
Because it originated in a bigfoot thread. If anyone wanted to comment from there it would make it easier to find.
That is the wrong thing to do because this thread is not about Bigfoot. You can instead place a link to this thread over in the Bigfoot Follies thread where you originally brought up the topic of your experiences with poltergeists.
 
They are also not light weight either, it would take a stiff wind to do that. We were standing by the side of the car, I would think we would feel the breeze simply due to deflection once it hit the lid if that were the case.

Yes, but when the air struts get weak the wight of the trunk can be very nearly balanced by the struts, and a very light breeze can start it bouncing.
 
This is worth repeating:

Well unlike many, I'm willing to accept a possible explanation since I'm no expert on car mechanics or building materials. Crap like this usually happens when I'm in the middle of doing something that requires my full attention which is why I'm not buying hypnotism in these situations. I was fully engaged in what I was doing at the time. It's annoying more than anything else because it's distracting.
 
That is the wrong thing to do because this thread is not about Bigfoot. You can instead place a link to this thread over in the Bigfoot Follies thread where you originally brought up the topic of your experiences with poltergeists.

Can I edit tags?
 
You seem to have a conclusion that you posted in the Bigfoot Follies thread...

For lack of a better description, what else would you call it? Fluke Physics?

It looks like no answer so far will feel better for you than poltergeists or the mysterious universe and existence.

If there is an answer that is viable or reasonable to fit the situation, I'm good with it. They are minor things and if I never find a solution that fits it won't be the end of the world for me.

It's not surprising that you would be skeptical of skepticism and critical thinking.

I guess you could say I'm skeptical of those professing to be skeptical or claiming that they have critical thinking skills when in fact what's posted is just humor in one form or another. Claiming that one approaches a topic with skepticism or utilizes critical thinking skills during discussion doesn't necessarily make it so.
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Yes, but when the air struts get weak the wight of the trunk can be very nearly balanced by the struts, and a very light breeze can start it bouncing.

Oh Ok, that makes sense to me.
 
Ok my next incident was in the diningroom. Behind where I was sitting was a wall with two sconces on it. I was sitting in a chair directly beneath one of them during the middle of the day when the lights were off. The light bulb in the sconce over my head exploded.

I initially thought we had some bad wiring and was concerned about a fire hazard so I called an electrician to check out all of the wiring in the house. When I explained what happened he said it was impossible for only one light bulb to explode when the two sconces were on the same circuit. If it was a power surge it should have blown both bulbs out. He couldn't explain it so what do you think caused it?
 
There's an entity that can communicate from 'beyond' and it locks bathroom doors and jiggles trunk lids? That's believable? Is there some kind of rule for the paranormal that they can never be straightforward?
 
Ok my next incident was in the diningroom. Behind where I was sitting was a wall with two sconces on it. I was sitting in a chair directly beneath one of them during the middle of the day when the lights were off. The light bulb in the sconce over my head exploded.

I initially thought we had some bad wiring and was concerned about a fire hazard so I called an electrician to check out all of the wiring in the house. When I explained what happened he said it was impossible for only one light bulb to explode when the two sconces were on the same circuit. If it was a power surge it should have blown both bulbs out. He couldn't explain it so what do you think caused it?

It exploded? Light bulbs that explode are often the result of manufacturing defects. So one bulb was defective the other wasn't.
 
I initially thought we had some bad wiring and was concerned about a fire hazard so I called an electrician to check out all of the wiring in the house. When I explained what happened he said it was impossible for only one light bulb to explode when the two sconces were on the same circuit. If it was a power surge it should have blown both bulbs out. He couldn't explain it so what do you think caused it?


He meant it wasn't a defect in the circuit. The lightbulb was defective.
 
Crap like this usually happens when I'm in the middle of doing something that requires my full attention which is why I'm not buying hypnotism in these situations.


Then you don't understand hypnotism.
 
What it is is you wanting there to be ghosts, so you find them. They don't exist but you want them to so much that you see weirdness everywhere.
 
There's no way you can know that, given the fallibility and malleability of human memory.

^This. Jodie, there's extraordinary irony at play with your posts over the past couple of days. You've been at once trying to school us on what "true" skepticism means while committing perhaps the most basic error in critical thinking: failing to recognize the fallibility of human memory and perception.
 
Once I was posting in a thread that was tagged as bigfoot. While I was reading a post, I excrete you not, the tag changed to "ghosts, physics, poltergeist".

Ok, what was it?
(Don't come with all your materialist computer bible code talk either.)
 
Ok my next incident was in the diningroom. Behind where I was sitting was a wall with two sconces on it. I was sitting in a chair directly beneath one of them during the middle of the day when the lights were off. The light bulb in the sconce over my head exploded.

I initially thought we had some bad wiring and was concerned about a fire hazard so I called an electrician to check out all of the wiring in the house. When I explained what happened he said it was impossible for only one light bulb to explode when the two sconces were on the same circuit. If it was a power surge it should have blown both bulbs out. He couldn't explain it so what do you think caused it?

Utter nonsense highlighted. Never hire that electrician again. I had a 5 bulb lighting fixture explode just one bulb while they were off in the middle of the night. Scared the poop out of me. It's a defective light bulb and nothing more. I have not had a problem with it since.

Trunk. The gravel bags added weight to the car causing the suspension to compress. Once part of the weight was removed the cars springs began to return to their normal extended position. This transfer of energy from the springs to the car caused the weakened struts on the trunk lid to give and recover. Simple transfer of energy.

Kleenex. You are remembering this wrong. It's the most likely answer. That or the kleenex moved but was not being dragged down it just looked that way.

Door. Things like temperature, humidity, and weight can reshape a poorly constructed door way. One day the door fits the next it doesn't. Won't close when empty but interior weight changes the frame shape. You almost certainly closed this door without thinking or the wind did it for you.

Threads like this always remind me of Tim Minchin's "Storm." There are so many wonderful amazing mysteries and questions in the world. Why people get so hyped about trunk lids and kleenex is beyond me.
 
I started writing a response regarding the bathroom door as I own an old house (almost 130 years old) but after seeing where the thread is heading I decided it wouldn't be helpful after all.

Instead, I want to thank everyone who explained the workings of trunk lids. My Subaru Forester is getting up in years and I'll be mindful that the rear lid could lose some stability as it ages. I'd hate to get bonked in the head one day while loading groceries. :)
 
There has to be an explanation, but with the available evidence, as usual with this type of experiences, we can only make highly conjectural guesses. It seems like the trunk incident can have the more satisfying explanation, but I don't really have much to add to the speculations from more knowledgeable people in this thread.

Jodie: your memory is faulty, just like anyone else's. Same with your perception. No matter how strongly you think you saw or remember something, misperception and misremembrance happen all the time. Take words of example. How many times you thought you "heard" a word that wasn't actually mentioned by your interlocutor? We are great at filling the blanks when information is missing, and most of the time we don't realize we're doing it. Then, on top of that, there's bias.

I'll share a personal anecdote that involves some of these elements that, combined, can easily lead one to think it was magic. I guess it's easy to decipher now, but at the time I found myself stratching my head over it for a long time.

Something like 12 years ago, I was at my parents' house by myself, just about to have lunch, when out of joy I started singing a popular tune which I had never been particularly fond of. But there I was, suddenly singing that song for no apparent reason. One or two seconds after that, a commercial whose existence I wasn't aware of popped on my TV with that same song, in roughly the same pitch. It certainly was a new commercial because I wasn't the least familiar with it. I knew the song, but not the commercial. It was a synchronicity! It had to mean something! I had recently read Jung, and even if some of his stuff sounded crackpot to me at the time, I was willing to play along, out of curiosity and because some of my friends were into that kind of stuff.

One or two years later, after I had given some thought to the inconsistencies of "magic" and realized I had no other choice but to be a skeptic due to my attachment to consistency, I had an epiphany and realized what most probably happened that day:

That ad was probably very new, and I certainly wasn't aware of it, but that doesn't mean that I unconsciously hadn't been hearing the song from the ad for probably a week more or less, at the same hour, at the beginning of the same commercial break, right after hearing the news theme. Some commercials are regularly scheduled. My guess is that my brain had unconsciously gotten familiar with that pattern for a long enough period to expect it, but short enough to not be consciously aware of its existence. It's a bit like going to work without making conscious decisions, only that in this case there's not an underlying awareness of a particular goal such as "going to work". Even if you act like a zombie, you ultimately know, deep down in your intestine, that you're going to work. This, instead, happened as a more isolated incident, which made it more likely to be experienced as "magical".
 

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