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Ok, how the HELL do you eject a cd from a Mac

Well sir, if I may jump in, as I already explained: there IS such button. I'm just new to Mac and didn't even notice it. But it's right there on the top right corner of the keyboard. I just didn't notice it was there. However, had I noticed it, I wouldn't have started this thread.

But then, there is no such button near the drive.

It's no wonder you couldn't find it. Why would you even look for it on your keyboard? It's really bad design, because it forces you to do something counter-intuitive. You turn on your monitor on your monitor. You turn on your speakers on your speakers. You turn on your computer on your computer.

So why the hell would you think of operating your cd rom drive from your keyboard?

And it's "Tomkins". No H. :)

Tank you! :)
 
If I may be so bold, I think this is a rather silly discussion and some of you seem to be arguing at cross purposes...

For example, the cited examples of the floppy disk and USB memory stick have come up as external drives that can result in corrupted data if removed while in use. However I have never, ever in my many years of computer use ever come across a computer - of any type and any operating system - which can prevent the user from removing a floppy disc or USB memory stick while it is being used. That goes for PCs, windows, LINUX, Macs, C64s... not one. In the case of USB sticks, I frankly cannot even think of any way in which the operating system could prevent this.

What some OS's do is warn the user not to do this, and facilitate correct procedure including unmounting of the device prior to removal. Windows in one such OS that does this, with the "Safely Remove Hardware" device which appears in the task tray whenever you insert a USB stick or external hard drive or similar. Now if I want to protect my data I know to unmount it first, however if I want to I can just pull the damn thing out. I'm not as familiar with Mac OS, but I suspect it's a similar story - I do know for certain that you can just yank a USB stick out of a Mac if you wish, and there's nothing the Mac can do to stop you.

In this regard I see absolutely no difference whatsoever between the various operating systems.

So I don't know why anyone brought up anything other than CDs, because frankly they seem to be irrelevant.

As for CDs... there seems to be a bit of crossing over of distinctions here. "Mac" (or "Apple") and "PC" are often used to describe both distinct hardware, and distinct operating systems. This becomes problematic when take into account that the operating system and hardware are not necessarily mutual - I can run Mac OS on PC hardware and I can run Windows on Apple hardware. It becomes even more problematic when you introduce a third operating system which can be used on both types of hardware. And finally it becomes even more problematic when you are discussing a problem that's potentially a combination of hardware and software - ejecting a CD.

The problem with some Macs in this situation is that hardware and software have been linked together in such a way that they're functionally one in the same. So you don't have an eject button on your hardware - the physical drive - but only software ejection capabilities (using a designated key on the keyboard still constitutes a software ejection).

This is all well and good when everything is going well, but it's problematic when something goes wrong and you need to physically override the software.

The question really is whether you should have a hardware eject function which is entirely independent of your software or not. I'm inclined to think you should, because I'm inclined to believe that software is not 100% faultless.

The next question is of course what form that hardware eject should take. One option is the pin-hole eject found on many drives. Another option is to have a standard eject button. The pinhole is a pain, because, well, you need to go find yourself a pin to use it. But in saying that it has the advantage of better protecting your data because you can't accidentally bump the button while you're in the middle of writing a CD or something.
 
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However I have never, ever in my many years of computer use ever come across a computer - of any type and any operating system - which can prevent the user from removing a floppy disc or USB memory stick while it is being used. That goes for PCs, windows, LINUX, Macs, C64s... not one. In the case of USB sticks, I frankly cannot even think of any way in which the operating system could prevent this.

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Can you find the eject button for the floppy drive? No: it's held ransom until the OS decides to spit it out again. Standard practice for Mr. Macintosh.
 
But then, there is no such button near the drive.

It's no wonder you couldn't find it. Why would you even look for it on your keyboard? It's really bad design, because it forces you to do something counter-intuitive. You turn on your monitor on your monitor. You turn on your speakers on your speakers. You turn on your computer on your computer.

So why the hell would you think of operating your cd rom drive from your keyboard?

Yeah, I guess it's "bad design".
But I still love my mac.
 
man, all this dumb stuff for a question i answered correctly in post #2.
 
Actually, I have worked with a computer that could physically prevent the user from removing a floppy. It was the original GML labs mix automation system computer. This was a VMEBus box with two 68020 processors that ran a Unix-like OS called Idris. It had an 8" floppy drive for archiving mix files and doing software installs.

That drive loaded like the 5.25" floppies we remember from early IBM PCs- open door, insert floppy, close door. The mechanism had a solenoid which, when energized, locked the loading door. There were two LEDs on the front panel, one for "disk access" and the other for "door locked".

IIRC, (it's been over twelve years), you couldn't remove the disk until it had been dismounted. The idea seems to have been to prevent the user from removing the disk while the heads were engaged, which could have damaged both disk and drive. Fortunately, I don't remember that feature ever causing any problems. The system's other little idiosyncrasies were entertainment enough.
 
man, all this dumb stuff for a question i answered correctly in post #2.

What you suggested was accurate, but Ron admitted it was user error--he didn't know about the eject button on the keyboard.

If you don't like Macs, don't use them. I'd be willing to bet though, that for the vast majority of slot-loading Mac users, the lack of an eject button on the actual drive is a non-issue. Yes, I get that the eject button on the keyboard is a software control, and if the CD gets stuck you won't be able to physically eject it with a button. However, how often do CDs get stuck in slot-loading Macs? Is it a common problem? And isn't is it virtually always fixed by restarting the computer?

The lack of a physical eject button is not a design flaw. It may be a negative for some people, but it's a choice. The Apple aesthetic, like it or not, is about less buttons and stuff. And just because a computer has an optical drive with a physical eject button doesn't mean it will always work. All software and hardware sometimes fails.

Are many Mac owners complaining about the lack of an eject button on their optical drive? And how would that even work on an iMac?
 
But then, there is no such button near the drive.

It's no wonder you couldn't find it. Why would you even look for it on your keyboard? It's really bad design, because it forces you to do something counter-intuitive. You turn on your monitor on your monitor. You turn on your speakers on your speakers. You turn on your computer on your computer.

So why the hell would you think of operating your cd rom drive from your keyboard?

The command to perform an action should be accessed somewhere other than the primary interface for issuing commands to perform other actions. Yay!
 
The command to perform an action should be accessed somewhere other than the primary interface for issuing commands to perform other actions. Yay!

Why? Would an iMac be better with a button on the side for ejecting CDs? Do you really think the average Mac would prefer to have an eject button on the side of their monitor/computer (in the case of the iMac) as opposed to the eject button on the keyboard (as well as being able to eject discs using the Finder)?

I completely understand that some people don't like the Mac aesthetic, or don't like Macs for other reasons. Which is fine, I wouldn't argue with that--its a matter of personal preference. But I really doubt that the folks who like Macs would prefer a button right by the slot. My Mac Pro has a regular optical drive with an eject button under the tray. I can't recall ever using it. The keyboard eject is very convenient--my fingers spend a lot of time there.
 
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The command to perform an action should be accessed somewhere other than the primary interface for issuing commands to perform other actions. Yay!

You also want the power switches on your attached drives to be accessible only from the computer's keyboard? Anything you hook up to your computer should have a designated key?
 
You also want the power switches on your attached drives to be accessible only from the computer's keyboard? Anything you hook up to your computer should have a designated key?

Isn't that kind of non sequitur?

In an ideal world, drives would a) power on together with the bus coming alive (at least two external WD drives on my Mac - one USB, one Firewire - actually do that), and/or b) those drive manufacturers might get a clue as to NOT hide the friggin' on/off switch at the *back* of the enclosure. Doing calisthenics just to turn on/off a drive might be a welcome break from office boredom, OTOH.

And, I'd like to repeat, how does the idea of creating one central interface for the operation lead to "anything you hook up to your computer should have a designated key"? (not even going near the topic of keyboards with "hot keys" and "multimedia keys" and/or "volume dials"... seems there's already a market for those things :)

Oh, in case anyone's been wondering - all those add-ons on my boxes were "designed for Windows" ;)
 
What you suggested was accurate, but Ron admitted it was user error--he didn't know about the eject button on the keyboard.

iirc coorectly there was no finder icon for the cd, so imo the best bet would have still been to reboot and hold the mouse button down.

i am guessing in this day and age you'd have to hold down the left button.

i once had to eject a cd this way, in about 1994.

:)
 
That's still an electronic solution. If they don't have a mechanical button for a mechanical device, it is horrendous design.

You're right; fortunately I've never seen an optical drive that didn't have a method to mechanically eject the disc. It's not the preferred method so it's usually hidden but it's there.
 
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That's the emergency eject button, not the normal use eject button. Yes, I can see the hole, and I know what it is. Read the rest of the thread for discussion of why they're different.
 
LOL I feel that pain! It took me hours the first time I used a Mac to figure out how to eject.

On the Macs I use (OS10) there's no button on the drive. There's a button on the keyboard to eject CD's. It's at the upper-right-most corner above the number key pad, it has a symbol that looks like a triangle with a line underneath. That's the eject button. Push it.
 

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