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Official James Comey testimony thread

Emily's Cat said:
Why would he have suspected he was going to be fired at the point in time that he began creating unclassified memos? Especially since he repeatedly said he was completely surprised that he was fired.


What information led him to suspect that he would need to be a whislteblower from his very first encounter with Trump? Nothing in his testimony suggests that Trump's behavior in that Jan 6 meeting indicated that - it seems based on Comey's personal feelings about Trump.
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I think you're playing a dishonest game where you are only interested in what confirms your own views. Trump IS A LIAR. This is not in dispute. He lies about just about everything.
Comey is simply being prudent in creating memos when dealing with dishonest individuals.

As for being concerned about being fired and still feeling blindsided when it actually happened doesn't surprise me one bit. In fact I have been in the same position and felt exactly the same when I was fired from a job. People often conclude that they might just be paranoid and in yet in denial when catastrophe actually happens.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
So I don't care whether Trump really colluded with the Russians or tried to obstruct justice. The only that matters is that he be perceived to have done those things. He hoodwinked millions of Americans into believing that Obama wasn't legitimate, that Hillary was a crook, and that he knew how to Make America Great Again, so I don't care if he gets crucified for things he didn't actually do. It would just be karma.
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I don't really feel the same way, but I have to admit that I wouldn't feel much sympathy if a man notorious for distorting reality gets taken down by some distorted reality. I certainly wouldn't engage in that distortion myself, though.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Why would he have suspected he was going to be fired at the point in time that he began creating unclassified memos? Especially since he repeatedly said he was completely surprised that he was fired.

What information led him to suspect that he would need to be a whislteblower from his very first encounter with Trump? Nothing in his testimony suggests that Trump's behavior in that Jan 6 meeting indicated that - it seems based on Comey's personal feelings about Trump.
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On January 6, the whole country was speculating on whether or not Comey would be fired as soon as Trump took office. It was all over the newspapers. Conservative talk shows were still calling Hillary a crook on a day to day basis and Comey was still identified as the guy who didn't recommend indictment of Hillary Clinton. Lots of people expected him to be fired.

And yes, I think that Comey's personal feelings about Trump also influenced him. Shouldn't it? Lots of people have a pretty darned negative view about Trump, based on his extensive public record. Why wouldn't Comey be one of those people.

Keep in mind that if Comey did not expect to be fired, then Comey made an error in judgement. If he did suspect he would be fired, he was correct.

As for him being "surprised" to be fired, that could have a whole lot of different meanings. If he didn't think it was a possibility, he would have been a fool. That doesn't mean that when he read that he was fired on the TV ticker, he wasn't surprised.

ETA: And what abcytesla said.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
Why would he have suspected he was going to be fired at the point in time that he began creating unclassified memos? Especially since he repeatedly said he was completely surprised that he was fired.
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He created the memos to provide a record of a meeting between two parties, one of whom had a long and well established record of lying through his teeth without the slightest compunction.

He did this because that individual said things in that meeting which in Comey's view were at best highly inappropriate, and at worst suspect. He did so to establish an accurate record.

His being fired was one possible event subsequent to that meeting. The meeting might possibly have precipitated it. (Although there really isn't any reason to think that meeting alone was the single causal factor. More like one among several.).

But making such a record was certainly not done solely because he anticipated being fired. That would have been only one potential eventuality among many. And maybe not even the one which concerned him the most.

As you yourself point out. He said he was surprised when he was fired.

What information led him to suspect that he would need to be a whislteblower from his very first encounter with Trump? Nothing in his testimony suggests that Trump's behavior in that Jan 6 meeting indicated that - it seems based on Comey's personal feelings about Trump.
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Are you using some idiosyncratic definition of "whistleblower"? Because the commonly used meaning isn't particularly relevant to anything Comey has done.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I would agree with that... however, Trump is not and has not been a subject of investigation. What if Mueller never investigates Trump?
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Still not up on current events?

He's been under investigation by at least one agency since shortly after he fired Comey, and more recently it is up to at least two.

You'll have to retire that bogus claim.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I see. Everything republican is completely bad by definition, as far as you're concerned?
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You left out the capital "R". Was that intentional?

The GOP these days certainly comes close to that. Anything they do that isn't bad seems to be an accident or an oversight.

But it isn't very surprising.

I voted for Nixon in '72. The GOP has been going steadily downhill at least since then.

The most surprising thing is their ability to continue to find new depths to descend to. It's almost like they're trying to dig until they come out the other side.

It isn't working.
 
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quadraginta said:
You left out the capital "R". Was that intentional?

The GOP these days certainly comes close to that. Anything they do that isn't bad seems to be an accident or an oversight.

But it isn't very surprising.

I voted for Nixon in '72. The GOP has been going steadily downhill at least since then.
The most surprising thing is their ability to continue to find new depths to descend to. It's almost like they're trying to dig until they come out the other side.

It isn't working.
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It's pretty sad when Nixon is the high point. But I have to give Nixon some credit even though he was brought kicking and screaming to those accomplishments. His administration created the EPA, the Clean Water and the Clean Air Acts. I thought no one could be worse than George W. But Trump is easily proving to be the worst President probably in the history of the nation.
 
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We can presume "innocent until proven guilty" in the holder of the highest office in the land.
That is why impeachment doesn't require court-of-law level proof.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I would agree with that... however, Trump is not and has not been a subject of investigation. What if Mueller never investigates Trump?
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Yes, you've been carrying Trump's water thoroughly skeptical and selectively uninformed occasionally unaware of various negative items concerning Trump, but now that he's blurted it out himself on Twitter: will you finally believe that your statement is, well, false?
 
acbytesla said:
I think you're playing a dishonest game where you are only interested in what confirms your own views.
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Lol, that's funny. What do you think my view is? Have you considered the bias of the other posters in this thread, or does that only come in to play for people who don't jump on the bandwagon of "guilty and nothing can prove innocent"?

acbytesla said:
Trump IS A LIAR. This is not in dispute. He lies about just about everything.
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Trump lies about a lot of things... but there are also a lot of things that the media and/people on the interwebs cast as lies, claim are lies, that may not actually be lies. Seriously, even the boy who cried wolf sometimes told the truth. I don't expect anyone to accept what Trump says, or even to assume it is true - I certainly don't. But I also don't think that it's reasonable to assume that everything he says is false. And I definitely don't approve of the cherry-picking approach where anything he says might make him look less like an evil person is clearly a lie... and anything that can be spun to make him look bad is clearly the truth.

Because as it stands right now, the "truthiness" of Trump is entirely subjective, and is frequently conditional. So... Trump says Russia was on his mind when he fired Comey therefore Trump is being completely honest and is admitting that he fired Comey because of Russia. Trump says he has a great relationship with Putin and he's totally honest. Trump says he really doesn't know Putin and he's totally lying. Trump says he was "wiretapped" and he's a total liar. Turns out he was being surveilled, but it wasn't actually a literal wiretap, so he's not just a liar but a stupid liar. The media, and many vehemently anti-Trump folks, are very selective about what constitutes lying. He's perceived as a liar when it suits them to do so, and he's perceived as honest when it suits them to do so. Evidence has little to do with it.

acbytesla said:
Comey is simply being prudent in creating memos when dealing with dishonest individuals.
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And again, I have no particular objection to him creating memos. I've said that several times.

acbytesla said:
As for being concerned about being fired and still feeling blindsided when it actually happened doesn't surprise me one bit. In fact I have been in the same position and felt exactly the same when I was fired from a job. People often conclude that they might just be paranoid and in yet in denial when catastrophe actually happens.
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That's a reasonable point, I guess. I suppose I would think that a month after that, he wouldn't still be expressing surprise about it, but maybe he's slow.
 
sts60 said:
Yes, you've been carrying Trump's water thoroughly skeptical and selectively uninformed occasionally unaware of various negative items concerning Trump, but now that he's blurted it out himself on Twitter: will you finally believe that your statement is, well, false?
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:rolleyes: Nice jab. Whatever you need to feel holier good I guess.

I am in error, due to a lack of explicit phrasing that I believed was understood from context. It is my mistake in thinking that in a discussion of this sort, the participants could track the context rather than reading each sentence and post as if it existed in a vacuum.

Allow me to correct my errant statement:
Emily's Cat said:
I would agree with that... however, Trump is not and has not been a subject of investigation regarding collusion with Russia. What if Mueller never investigates Trump?
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