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Official James Comey testimony thread

logger said:
You must have missed the first sentence. You should be concerned about how he leaked it and why he leaked it.
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I don't see anything wrong with how he leaked it, and I don't care why he leaked it. You're losing me here. Why should I care about how he leaked it? What am I missing?
 
Meadmaker said:
I don't see anything wrong with how he leaked it, and I don't care why he leaked it. You're losing me here. Why should I care about how he leaked it? What am I missing?
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Get with the program. All opposition to Dear Leader is wrong.
 
NoahFence said:
Yes! We agree a lot tonite. Very refreshing.
We want to transform it from an uneducated bastion of partisan retardation back to the shining city in the hill that put man in the moon, freed slaves, and helped lead the world through WW2. Among other things.
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You want to Make America Great Again! But people here keep saying that America was never great. Which is it?
 
mgidm86 said:
You want to Make America Great Again! But people here keep saying that America was never great. Which is it?
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The people who make America great are not the people who want to Make America Great Again. When people say they want to Make America Great Again, they're mostly thinking of times and behaviors when America really wasn't all that great.
 
mgidm86 said:
You want to Make America Great Again! But people here keep saying that America was never great. Which is it?
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For the most part they're talking about the 50s and 60s. Terribly racist by modern standards but there was a lot less income inequality and a burgeoning middle class. The rest are talking about their childhoods which were really great, they didn't have a care in the world, mostly because their parents protected them from the cares of the world.
 
I've moved my comments about making America great again into the general Trump thread to avoid a derail. .
 
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Emily's Cat said:
The truth is that Comey took intentional steps to make sure that all of his subsequent memos were not classified. Those memos contain the information that he released to the media. My question is: Why did Comey take intentional steps to make sure his subsequent memos to his internal FBI team were unclassified documents? To me, it begs the question of whether or not he intended to release them to the media at some point in the future, and had that intention as far back as mid-January.
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It may raise the question but it doesn't beg it. Unless this usage has become so standard that "begging the question" does not mean what it used to.
 
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Minoosh said:
Emily's Cat said:
The truth is that Comey took intentional steps to make sure that all of his subsequent memos were not classified. Those memos contain the information that he released to the media. My question is: Why did Comey take intentional steps to make sure his subsequent memos to his internal FBI team were unclassified documents? To me, it begs the question of whether or not he intended to release them to the media at some point in the future, and had that intention as far back as mid-January.
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It may raise the question but it doesn't beg it. Unless this usage has become so standard the "begging the question" does not mean what it used to.
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True.

Comey also answered the question from what I recall.

He wanted to be able to disseminate the information should it become necessary, and, given the work environment Comey was in, that would have been a fairly obvious eventuality for which to prepare.

As soon as he thought that he needed to create the memos, the thought about how they might need to be used would also be raised.
 
Minoosh said:
It may raise the question but it doesn't beg it. Unless this usage has become so standard the "begging the question" does not mean what it used to.
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Most people could care less about the original meaning of "begging the question".;)

Outside of the halls of academia, "begging the question" no longer means what it used to mean.
 
varwoche said:
Indeed. It's so glaringly obvious that it would embarrass Captain Obvious. Of course this is no deterrent to self-styled super skeptics.
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I don't know why this question has become so contentious. Comey has testified as to how he interpreted it. Yet if you ask him straight-up if Trump asked him to let it go, or ordered him to let it go, he'll say no.

The words used matter in the context of sworn testimony. The last thing we need IMO is people paraphrasing Trump because then Trump can say, "I didn't ask him to drop it. Jim Comey is a liar." I don't want any wiggle room there. But because of the way Trump communicates, or tries to communicate, he allots himself a lot of wiggle room anyway, as do many of his supporters - though I suspect some of them are tiring of his games.

Now Trump seems to be denying he made any remarks remotely like the ones Comey has documented.

I'm convinced Comey is trying his level best to be honest and truthful. Those are actually slightly different attributes. I'd love to see him on TV more as a commentator or analyst. IMO he'd be even more telegenic if he had a little work done under his eyes.
 
Meadmaker said:
Most people could care less about the original meaning of "begging the question".;)
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I say "could not care less." Can't remember if I ever bought into the "could care less" usage. Of course the meaning of "begging the question" has changed, but then don't we need a new expression? I don't even know how to say it in formal logic, and rely on example:

Me: "Why did you want an automatic transmission?"
Friend: "Because I didn't want to shift."

Early in the days of USA TODAY a reporter wrote about public health officials wanting to eradicate measles. An editor asked, "Why do they want to eradicate measles?" The exasperated reporter answered, "Because it makes people sick." But it's quite possible the reporter had neglected to include key information. It's not uncommon. Someone on this forum said he kept reading articles about the Paris climate change accord that failed to say what the accord actually called for.
 
Emily's Cat said:
The truth is that Comey took intentional steps to make sure that all of his subsequent memos were not classified. Those memos contain the information that he released to the media. My question is: Why did Comey take intentional steps to make sure his subsequent memos to his internal FBI team were unclassified documents? To me, it begs the question of whether or not he intended to release them to the media at some point in the future, and had that intention as far back as mid-January. That's certainly not the only possible reason, but I'd like a reasonable answer to that, and I haven't seen one as yet.
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Ok. Sorry I misunderstood your point before. Now here's a reasonable answer.

Of course he intended to release it to the media at some point in the future. Isn't that obvious? Didn't he even say that, as jimbob noted?

At the very least, he wanted to keep the option open.

Comey didn't trust Trump. He thought Trump might fire him and, having fired him, would lie about why he was fired. To counter those anticipated lies, he prepared to release the truth.

This isn't exactly a secret.
 
Meadmaker said:
Ok. Sorry I misunderstood your point before. Now here's a reasonable answer.

Of course he intended to release it to the media at some point in the future. Isn't that obvious? Didn't he even say that, as jimbob noted?

At the very least, he wanted to keep the option open.

Comey didn't trust Trump. He thought Trump might fire him and, having fired him, would lie about why he was fired. To counter those anticipated lies, he prepared to release the truth.

This isn't exactly a secret.
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Lack of trust is one thing. Doesn't it give you pause that he was planning, as far back as January, to release it to the media? I get wanting to CYA... but I guess I would have thought that memos going to other people within the FBI and the intelligence community would be sufficient. Planning ahead for a release to the public seems... premeditated? It may indicate nothing at all, but it did make me raise my eyebrows just a little bit.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Lack of trust is one thing. Doesn't it give you pause that he was planning, as far back as January, to release it to the media? I get wanting to CYA... but I guess I would have thought that memos going to other people within the FBI and the intelligence community would be sufficient. Planning ahead for a release to the public seems... premeditated? It may indicate nothing at all, but it did make me raise my eyebrows just a little bit.
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Which could imply that as far back as January, Director Comey had information that would lead him to believe that nefarious schemes were afoot, and that the pressure to fire him or try to force him to resign would increase.
As a student of human nature, and experienced at dealing with personalities such as President-elect Trump, steps needed to be made to ensure that such schemes did not get buried...

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Emily's Cat said:
Lack of trust is one thing. Doesn't it give you pause that he was planning, as far back as January, to release it to the media? I get wanting to CYA... but I guess I would have thought that memos going to other people within the FBI and the intelligence community would be sufficient. Planning ahead for a release to the public seems... premeditated? It may indicate nothing at all, but it did make me raise my eyebrows just a little bit.
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No. It makes perfect sense to me, and I think it was the right thing to do.

Premeditated? Yes. Absolutely. Be prepared. Subsequent events would prove his suspicions correct. Trump did fire him. Trump did lie about it. I just can't see anything bad about what Comey did.
 
Meadmaker said:
Comey didn't trust Trump. He thought Trump might fire him and, having fired him, would lie about why he was fired. To counter those anticipated lies, he prepared to release the truth.

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Who crys like this? Usually professional people in Comeys position aren't out to clear their names, this guy is truly a showboat!
 
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