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Ed Ofama... On Iran

Darth Rotor

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I am losing patience with the triumvirate in our National Security Council.

Fer the love of all that is cheeseburgers, Pakistan, a loser nation, a failed state, a basket case nation filled with fail, has nukes.

Pakistan is a shabbily manufactured "nation state" that is at best the fecal leavings of the British Empire. (See my previous posts on "Pashtun Irridenta" for more on that general topic).

Persia (aka Iran) on the other hand, is a semi- choesive cultural entity that goes back about 2500 years, which gives them a cultural legitimacy and staying power of a China, a Greece, any attempts a the Caliphate, or Israel as somehow "OLD AND GOOD" and FWIW, Imperial Rome's inertial stumbling into the current day (see EU, fourth attempt at HRE, however secular). I like small too, so how about the Basques for twenty centuries of staying power, eh? If Pakistan can have nukes, why not anybody? Why not everybody? At least the Koreans mostly speak the same language as they praise the Il of the week ...

The above considered, the policy making twits (none of whom is stupid, other that the small breaded one) in Washington are once again making noise about Iran's nuclear ambitions. This is Cheney-esque saber rattling again, without the Cheney. (OK, maybe not all bad ...)

I'd rather Iran have nukes than the Pakistani nitwits (who already have them) and the NoKors as well. (Point to recall: the average Pakistani on the street is doubtless a decent enough chap or lady, but my own experience in dealing with those clowns at the policy and operational level leaves me disgusted).

The Israelis, for those who fear Iran's nefarious nukes vicariously for Israel, have enough deterrent vis a vis any nascent nuclear weapons capability in Iran, for the next decade or so, to render the fear mongering on that score null and void from the get go.

It is time to end the stupid. As I have previously suggested, it is OK for Iran to join the nuclear club. All it means for the US is that Iran is now added to our target list.

BFD.

Two weeks of staff work, max.

Update the SIOP, BFD.

Been done before, over and over again.

As before, I offer the proposed Memo to Mahmoud the Mouth and his clerical associates:

Dear Fellas:

Nice to see you have gained nuclear capability. Well done. We regret to inform you that, since we remain at odds on so many levels, you are now on our target list, just like Russia, China, and a few others.

If you don't like that, we are truly sorry, but you forgot the old Persian saying:

Be careful of what you wish for, since you are sure to get it.​

Welcome to the big league. Hope you have game.

Love and kisses from your friends at the Great Satan's National Security Council

Barack
Hillary
Leon (the idiot)
David

PS: If you aren't sure how well your nukes work, please test fire a few into Pakistan. They need to be reminded that there's a new power in town to deal with, and they don't listen well. Trust us on that one.
​

2011 has ended as it should, with stupidity running amok, not least in our policy circles in Washington DC.

Keenan wept.
 
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So it's no big deal that a nation that arms, funds, and trains terrorist groups also has nuclear weapons?

What's to keep them from giving a nuke to a terrorist organization?
 
WildCat said:
So it's no big deal that a nation that arms, funds, and trains terrorist groups also has nuclear weapons?

What's to keep them from giving a nuke to a terrorist organization?
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See Pakistan, thanks for playing. ;)
 
Darth Rotor said:
The Israelis, for those who fear Iran's nefarious nukes vicariously for Israel, have enough deterrent vis a vis any nascent nuclear weapons capability in Iran, for the next decade or so, to render the fear mongering on that score null and void from the get go.
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Mutually Assured Destruction works if both sides are afraid of going to "the afterlife". There is an understandable fear that theocratic Iran may not be as afraid of that as the atheist Soviet Union was.

So, do Israel have a deterrent? Maybe, maybe not. Guess it depends on how devout the Iranian leadership really is...


FWIW, here are my tips for a country (Iran say) getting nukes without too much hassle:

1) Do not promise that a nearby country, which has been attacked several times, will vanish from the pages of history
2) Do not host holocaust denial summits
3) Do not sponsor terrorism
4) Just generally try and be polite, well behaved and non-confrontational for a decade or so.

If a country (say, Iran) follow(ed) the above steps then they would not be the subject of the same attention that the Iranian regime are getting now.
 
Pardalis said:
I guess we can put the NPT to the scrap heap.
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Good point. It might be worth considering whether it was ever taken seriously and what, if any, proliferation the NPT prevented. I don't this facetiously. I simply wonder whether retaining the NPT is worth the cost of doing so.
 
Darth Rotor said:
See Pakistan, thanks for playing. ;)
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Tu queque fallacy. That Pakistan has nukes is bad enough, thank you very much.

Good point. It might be worth considering whether it was ever taken seriously and what, if any, proliferation the NPT prevented. I don't this facetiously. I simply wonder whether retaining the NPT is worth the cost of doing so.
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South Africa and Yugoslavia both had the ambition to become nuclear states, the former scrapped 6 nukes when it joined the NNPT, the latter scrapped the attempts to develop nukes as a result of the treaty.

There may be others, I don't know.

McHrozni
 
It's OK for Iran, the country who signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and swear they don't want nukes, to have them? Why would you want to give them something they say they don't even officially want? *wink* *wink*
 
It's the height of arrogance for any country is to have something, gain benefit from that something, then try to tell other countries that they can't likewise have that same something.

If the U.S. and the world is concerned about nuclear proliferation, then everybody should get rid of their nukes.
 
citizenzen said:
It's the height of arrogance for any country is to have something, gain benefit from that something, then try to tell other countries that they can't likewise have that same something.
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How so? Is it the height of arrogance for a police officer to have a gun, but not allow a convicted murderer to have one?

citizenzen said:
If the U.S. and the world is concerned about nuclear proliferation, then everybody should get rid of their nukes.
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Isn't that the ultimate goal?
 
WildCat said:
How so? Is it the height of arrogance for a police officer to have a gun, but not allow a convicted murderer to have one?
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So in your opinion the United States is the police, and Iran the convicted murderer?

Police are appointed under the guise of government.

What government appointed the United States to be the world's police?
 
citizenzen said:
It's the height of arrogance for any country is to have something, gain benefit from that something, then try to tell other countries that they can't likewise have that same something.

If the U.S. and the world is concerned about nuclear proliferation, then everybody should get rid of their nukes.
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Hi, I'm the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. Iran signed me and said "we do not want nuclear weapons and agree not to procure them." The U.S. didn't just wake up one day and say "You know what, Iran? No nukes for you."

I agree, the U.S., India, Russia, China, etc. should step up their efforts to dismantle and discontinue their nuclear weapons. The number of nuclear weapons in the world should be 0.

But those countries are allowed to have nukes under the treaty. Again, Iran signed the treaty with full knowledge of that fact and STILL maintains that they don't want nuclear weapons. Why are you trying to give them something they don't want?
 
Iran signed a treaty not to have them, if they do the opposite of what they agreed to, then their word is worthless. You can take every treaty they ever signed and throw them in the trash.
 
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