of WTC7 and things being pulled

[Pardalis]

9/11 was an inside job, but i dont think for one second it was the brainchild of g-dub

and the witness proof: no it doesnt prove anything, but it should be followed up, witnesses should testify under oath.. just like in a real courtroom..

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

But is this "evidence" even remotely important to even consider them? Honestly?

ETA:In other words rearnakedchoke, if you didn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, would you even consider them?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

But is this "evidence" even remotely important to even consider them? Honestly?

ok, say you were in shanksville pa, ran into a little old lady and her family who said they saw a white jet shoot down f 93.....would you even consider their story? or pretend you didnt hear it?

 

[Pardalis]

I edited this after your post, so let me ask it again:

If you didn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, would you even consider them?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

But is this "evidence" even remotely important to even consider them? Honestly?

depends, i have read alot of witness reports that never made it to the 9/11 report of MSM..

If you didn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, would you even consider them?

i would always consider witness reports, reguardless of how i felt about 9/11, given all witness reports of pentagon crash were military personal, i think alot of those reports are sketchy..." i saw a 757, flt 77 hit the pentagon"
" i could see the faces in the windows"

lets stay on topic...

 

[Pardalis]

Maybe these witnesses reports didn't make it into the report exactly because they were insignificant.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

ok, say you were in shanckville pa, ran into a little old lady and her family who said they saw a white jet shoot down f 93.....would you even consider their story? or pretend you didnt hear it?

look in the shanksville thread, there is a little old lady who saw a white jet, she says it was "military looking" and that it intercepted the location where f93 was when it crashed (implying that it shot f93 down)

her story is not corroborated by any other witnesses (and directly contradicts at least one witness who saw 93 go down and saw no white jet at the location at that time)

her story contradicts all ATC and radar data, which showed no plane where she said she saw it

the plane she describes is a pervfect match for a learjet, but she says it definately wasnt a learjet


as a result of all this, i personally feel she is not a credible witness, and if i meet her i will tell her i dont think her story is credible given all the contradictory statements from other witnesses

 

[Oliver]

ok, say you were in shanckville pa, ran into a little old lady and her family who said they saw a white jet shoot down f 93.....would you even consider their story? or pretend you didnt hear it?

If i personally spoke or saw an interview i might tend to believe her if there are no further explanations or evidence.

But it´s like a report that 1000 people saw an ufo in nebraska last night. Even if thousands claim it was a ufo - they don´t know it for sure. It also does not proof extraterrestrial life. But the most important thing is - it does not stop the NWO or NeoCons to speculate about it the next 20 years.

 

[Pardalis]

as a result of all this, i personally feel she is not a credible witness, and if i meet her i will tell her i dont think her story is credible given all the contradictory statements from other witnesses

Exactly, this happens all the time in investigations.

I ask you this without sarcasm or disrespect rearnakedchoke, but don't you feel you're letting your confirmation bias see these accounts way too important for what they really are?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

OK, thanks for clearing that up.

But is this "evidence" even remotely important to even consider them? Honestly?

ETA:In other words rearnakedchoke, if you didn't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, would you even consider them?

so you would trust a radar sytem over the human eye?

 

[Pardalis]

Let's just say both humans and machines can fail.

 

[twinstead]

so you would trust a radar sytem over the human eye?

Would you trust a thermometer over "it feels like 72 in here"?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

why do you all focus on me?

stay on topic, please.. im not here to be dissected, honestly

 

[Oliver]

Would you trust a thermometer over "it feels like 72 in here"?

Are we talking about celsius?

 

[twinstead]

Are we talking about celsius?

 

[Pardalis]

Are we talking about celsius?

Let's not forget that our American buddies still use the old measure systems...

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

ok, say you were in shanksville pa, ran into a little old lady and her family who said they saw a white jet shoot down f 93.....would you even consider their story? or pretend you didnt hear it?

False choice fallacy. Anecdotal evidence is only of value if it is consistent with other evidence that is non-anecdotal in nature. Human memory and perception is inherently flawed and without an objective meter to measure it against it can not be trusted. Therefore, any eyewitness testimony must be tested against available objective evidence to check for soundness in the testimony.

 

[Trifikas]

1) If you're going to argue that all these people knew with absolutly one hundred percent certanty that it was going to collapse, then that's 8 people from assorted fields of work that you've just added to the conspiracy.

2) Couple that with the fact the Larry gains nothing from blowing up his own buildings, and you have to concede that the Idea of a CD is less and less likely.

1) That's not what I'm arguing, you're very ill informed.

2) You 100% sure about that?

1) Well, actually you are. Unless you're willing to accept that they were making educated guesses based on the fact that other buildings that day had fallen, and they could determine the damage visually, or were told by others who had seen the damage. An explosive demolition is very sudden. You wouldn't see extensive visual damage until after the button was pushed; ergo, If it was a demolition, you could only say it was going to collapse if you knew it was a demolition, and therefore you are arguing those people were in on it.

2) We know this, because even if the insurance ends up covering the cost of rebuilding, wich doesn't appear to be likely, Larry still owes the Leasing company their monthly money, and he is losing even more money because his offices aren't being rented when they're non existant.


Anyway, sorry for dredging this up from 4 pages ago, but heck it was only 5 hours or so...

 

[Crungy]

so you would trust a radar sytem over the human eye?

I certainly would in this case. During my childhood interest in UFOs, I read about countless cases such as the one described in this story.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66580


I posted this in the Shanksville thread. Jean Hill was one of the witnesses closest to the president's limo. Why do you think that the authorties never looked into the dog comment? No other witness ever reported seeing a dog in the limo. At some point the authorities have to resolve conflicting witness statements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_(film)

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS

Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Jean Hill, Address 9402 Bluffcreek, Dallas 27, Texas Age 32 , Phone No. EV1-7419

Deposes and says:

Mary and I were wanting to take some pictures of the President so we purposely tried to find a place that was open where no people was around and we had been standing half way down toward the underpass on Elm Street on the south side. We were the only people in that area and we were standing right at the curb. The Presidents [sic] car came around the corner and it was over on our side of the street. Just as Mary Moorman started to take a picture we were looking at the president and Jackie in the back seat and they were looking at a little dog between them. Just as the president looked up toward us two shots rang out and I saw the President grab his chest and fall forward across Jackies [sic] lap and she fell across his back and said "My God he has been shot". Three was an instant pause between the first two shots and the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant and three or four more shots rang out and the motorcade sped away. I thought I saw some men in plain clothes shooting back but everything was such a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg saying "Get down thery [sic] are shooting". I looked across the street and up the hill and saw a man running toward the monument and I started running over there. By the time I got up to the rail road tracks some policeman that I suppose were [sic] in the motorcade or near by had also arrived and was turning us back and as I came back down the hill Mr. Featherstone of the Times Herald had gotten to Mary and ask her for her picture she had taken of the President, and he brought us to the press room downn [sic] at the Sheriffs office and ask to stay.

/s/ Jean Hill

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963

/s/ Aleen Davis

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

 

[Shrinker]

ok, say you were in shanksville pa, ran into a little old lady and her family who said they saw a white jet shoot down f 93.....would you even consider their story? or pretend you didnt hear it?

rearnakedchoke, I guess no amount of telling you that eyewitnesses can make mistakes is going to sway you but presumably you remember the 'helicopter' that crashed into a New York apt block the other day? Were the witnesses who say they saw a helicopter all lying? I saw a story repeated on the LC forum where a witness said a plane crashed into a helicopter and then into the building... or maybe the helicopter went into the building...

Surely nobody could make a mistake like that. Right?

 

[Killtown]

1) Nope.

The tallest steel-frame building is the J.Hudson building. Took over 5000 charges and 7 months of prep work. WTC7 is 1.47 times that size. The Two Towers, 3.1 times.

2) And I'm still waiting for that answer if you are calling Chief Daniel Nigro, the man who gave the order to set up a collapse zone, a liar.

1) That's right, a building at TALL and as CLOSE to other skyscrapers has NEVER been demo'd by explosives. So by 9/11 being the first time that's happened, I thought they did a pretty good job considering it was pulled by a bunch of murdererous scum who I doubt care if it scrapped the neighboring buildings on it's way down.

2) Liar about what?