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of WTC7 and things being pulled

Killtown said:
And funny he didn't use any of those phrases. I guess Larry puts more worth in an operation than addressing people as individuals.
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he also didnt say "pull down" which i recall you posting a defintion of from yahoo dictionary to "prove" "pull it" meant explosive demolition, lol
 
uk_dave said:
He also didn't say 'demolish it', 'implode it', 'waste it' or even 'release the termites'
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But he did you "it" which is consistent with referring to what they watched collapse right after the gave the order to "pull".
 
defaultdotxbe said:
he also didnt say "pull down" which i recall you posting a defintion of from yahoo dictionary to "prove" "pull it" meant explosive demolition, lol
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"and I said...'maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull [down]'"

Pull down what, his shorts?
 
Killtown said:
But he did you "it" which is consistent with referring to what they watched collapse right after the gave the order to "pull".
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Was that supposed to make sense?

It does not.

Please, try again.
 
Killtown said:
"and I said...'maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull [down]'"

Pull down what, his shorts?
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In the famous quote he is speaking about a conversation with a fire chief who is advising him that the fires in WTC7 are too severe and they can't contain them. As owner of the building the fire chief is basically putting to him that WTC7 is a lost cause on a bad day.

He also mentions 'loss of life', which might imply that this conversation also included an assessment of how dangerous it would be to try to fight the fires inside WTC7 and risk further deaths on a very bad day.

The fire fighting operation with regard to WTC was one of many operations being carried out by the emergency services on this very bad day.

Silverstein concurred with the fire cheif assessment that it just wasn't worth losing any more people for the sake of one building which was already so severely damaged that it would probably have ended being demolished anyway, so they pulled the operation trying to save it.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
i think he means to say larry shoudl have directed the cheif to pull out each firefighter by name
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If Larry thought more of the firefighters then to refer them as an "operation", I'd suspect he would have said:

"I remember getting a call from the, uh, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull [them].' Uh, and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

See now if he said that, then I wouldn't have thought anything really suspicious about it other than why would a fire commander be talking options over with a lease holder? Can a leaseholder override a fire commander's call? Or was the fire commander inexperience and/or at a loss of what to do and needed some good ol' advice?

Let's see if this scenario makes sense:
FC: were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire
LS: You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull [them]?
FC: oh gee, now why didn't I think of that? Thanks Mr. Silverstein. You so smart.
 
uk_dave said:
In the famous quote he is speaking about a conversation with a fire chief who is advising him that the fires in WTC7 are too severe and they can't contain them. As owner of the building the fire chief is basically putting to him that WTC7 is a lost cause on a bad day.

He also mentions 'loss of life', which might imply that this conversation also included an assessment of how dangerous it would be to try to fight the fires inside WTC7 and risk further deaths on a very bad day.

The fire fighting operation with regard to WTC was one of many operations being carried out by the emergency services on this very bad day.

Silverstein concurred with the fire cheif assessment that it just wasn't worth losing any more people for the sake of one building which was already so severely damaged that it would probably have ended being demolished anyway, so they pulled the operation trying to save it.
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You are right, of course, but don't give the creep an easy way out out of his own words, which were:

But he did you "it" which is consistent with referring to what they watched collapse right after the gave the order to "pull".
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Was that supposed to mean something?
 
LashL said:
Was that supposed to make sense?

It does not.

Please, try again.
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Oh, sasasasorry. here:

"But he did [use/say] "it" which is consistent with referring to what they watched collapse right after the gave the order to "pull"[; the building]."
 
Killtown said:
If Larry thought more of the firefighters then to refer them as an "operation", I'd suspect he would have said:

"I remember getting a call from the, uh, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull [them].' Uh, and they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

See now if he said that, then I wouldn't have thought anything really suspicious about it other than why would a fire commander be talking options over with a lease holder? Can a leaseholder override a fire commander's call? Or was the fire commander inexperience and/or at a loss of what to do and needed some good ol' advice?

Let's see if this scenario makes sense:
FC: were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire
LS: You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull [them]?
FC: oh gee, now why didn't I think of that? Thanks Mr. Silverstein. You so smart.
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I think it was a matter of courtesy and also to cover the commanders ass should an irate leaseholder later decide to question why the fire department didn't try to save his building.

As for 'them' instead of 'it', the operation to save WTC7 would not have been solely the firefighters at the scene, but also support for those firefighters including a command post etc. As I said above, it's not hard to imagine the frantic activity on that day including rescue attempts to try and find survivors within the debris.

If a group of firefighters were searching a particularily unstable part of the pile and their commanders felt it was unsafe for them to do so, is it inconceivable that they would say 'Pull that search effort and concentrate those men in a different area'?

So why would it be unbelievable to say (with regard to firefighting operations) 'Pull it'?
 
Killtown said:
Oh, sasasasorry. here:

"But he did [use/say] "it" which is consistent with referring to what they watched collapse right after the gave the order to "pull"[; the building]."
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Try again. You still aren't making sense.

I hate to have to ask this but are you over the age of consent in your state for posting on an adult forum?
 
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Killtown said:
Let's see if this scenario makes sense:
FC: were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire
LS: You know we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is, is pull [them]?
FC: oh gee, now why didn't I think of that? Thanks Mr. Silverstein. You so smart.
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and how do you know the fire captain didnt want to say that to him? lol

also, the words "pull it" come from a interview after the fact, were those the same words he used on 9/11?
 
Killtown said:
Oh, sasasasorry. here:

"But he did [use/say] "it" which is consistent with referring to what they watched collapse right after the gave the order to "pull"[; the building]."
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Third attempt, Killtown: can you make your sentence(s) make sense this time? You haven't managed to do so yet.
 
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uk_dave said:
1) I think it was a matter of courtesy and also to cover the commanders ass should an irate leaseholder later decide to question why the fire department didn't try to save his building.

2) As for 'them' instead of 'it', the operation to save WTC7 would not have been solely the firefighters at the scene, but also support for those firefighters including a command post etc. As I said above, it's not hard to imagine the frantic activity on that day including rescue attempts to try and find survivors within the debris.

3) If a group of firefighters were searching a particularily unstable part of the pile and their commanders felt it was unsafe for them to do so, is it inconceivable that they would say 'Pull that search effort and concentrate those men in a different area'?

4) So why would it be unbelievable to say (with regard to firefighting operations) 'Pull it'?
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1) Yeah, I heard FDNY commanders are really puzzies and are worried about irate old lease holders.

2) Them would include the people in the command post too.

3) I thought they were pulling everybody out?

4) Cause no one has ever heard that phrase mean that except that one lonely anonymous forum poster.


Question, in Larry's infamous quote, is it just a coincidence that he said "we watched the building collapse" right after he said "and they made that decision to pull" when the PBS segment Larry was in was about, oh gee what was it about again? Oh yeah, about "World Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding."
 
I bet larry isn't aware in the slightest that the CTs are all going nuts over his quote.

And if he was ever told, he would probably laugh and forget about it within the hour.
 
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