Occam's Razor, and the memo

BobK said:
I withdraw my assertion that you have a very short memory. I neglected to include the word country in my last query about your leader. I should have known better. It was in my first query.

I should have realized that being an attorney, you would give no more information than would barely fill the bill.
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That or I joke around quite a bit, especially when dealing with people who I figure are likely not to get it. I am mean that way.

Your mistaking it for a personal attack is precious though, and says a lot more about your being a paranoid fool than anything else. Ditto the fact that this is your third post since I identified Bob Wise, and the first that seems to grasp what is going on around you.

You need to chill.



I'll lay it off to my not being precise enough to be understandable to an attorney.
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If that makes you feel better. Cheap face-saving excuses are a valid psychological tool. Problem is if they are overused they tend to make people justify not trying to improve themselves as they always lay blame to external factors. That is your business, however...


If you can provide a reasonable definiton from Merriam Webster of the word "admitted" that fits with your assertion of my "admitted bias", or withdraw your assertion, I will not have to consider you as the type of person that randomly casts aspersions, with no consideration of others.
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I fully explained my reasoning above. You can accept it or reject it. If the latter, just accept that you disagree with my usage and get on with your life. If you feel slighted feel free to keep responding and making completely baseless accusations because you think my mentioning "Bob Wise" as my leader (or as the leader of my country) is a purile mocking of your sainted username. I find this amusing.


A Kerryesque, nuanced response is not suitable.
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Yes, I figure from your inability to understand the "Bob Wise" thing that you fail to grasp nuance. Too bad the real world is not always as simple as you would like it to be.
 
BPSCG said:
Hi, Mr, Hall! When did you move to West (motto: "Squirrel - It's Not Just For Breakfast Any More") Virginia? I remember your advanced algebra class from when I lived in New York, even if I don't remember much algebra any more.
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Don't mock squirrel until you tried it. Ditto with fresh road kill. An '83 chevette can do wonders as to tenderizing meat...


Remember how at least once per class you'd screw something up on the blackboard and somebody (sometimes everybody) would say, "Wait a minute Mr. Hall! That's not right! It's supposed to be NEGATIVE x!" and you would get this embarrassed look on your face and make the correction and say, "Just making sure you were paying attention."?

And everybody would laugh, because we all knew you were full of it?

Remember?
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No, but If I were Mr. Hall, I would have done the exact same thing except that it would also be clear that I was joking about it, and I wouldn't be embarrased.

I make far to many mistakes like that to ever convince anyone that they are anything but part of my "absent minded professor" personality. I've just accepted I am prone to blunder and try to pay close attention to important details. The price I pay for being a sooper geenus...

(But I as a rule don't give Virginians an inch... That is why in this case I really was doing it on pourpose. ;) )
 
Suddenly said:
(But I as a rule don't give Virginians an inch...
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Why is that? Got your lunch money swiped too many times when you were a kid?
 
BPSCG said:
Why is that? Got your lunch money swiped too many times when you were a kid?
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I was like 5'10" and about 180 pounds when I was ten, so I was safe on the lunch money front, although given my current size maybe I would be better off if someone started swiping my lunch money now....

Other than that the Virginian Menace must be countered at every turn. You buggers will do anything to discredit and harm the True and Noble State and the wonderful folks that live here. We ask for no quarter, and we give nun.
 
Suddenly said:
Other than that the Virginian Menace must be countered at every turn. You buggers will do anything to discredit and harm the True and Noble State and the wonderful folks that live here. We ask for no quarter, and we give nun.
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You know, a piece of aluminum foil folded up into a hat can be very effective at blocking the microwave signals with which Virginia's nuns are controlling your thoughts...
 
crimresearch said:
(blather snipped)
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Hey, I found a cool website that says Bush had sex with farm animals. And one that says the moon is made of cheese.

Yup, obscure internet sites ... that's what I call real hard evidence.

Attack me all you want, the question stands: Do you have any evidence for your cryptic conspiracy theory other than obscure internet sites? Yes or no.

As well, your cryptic conspiracy theory is already a derailment. No complaint, but that you switch topics yet again when asked to provide evidence is duly noted.

To be clear: I have zero interest in obviscation. Just answer the question. Yes/no. Better yet, provide the links.
 
varwoche said:
Hey, I found a cool website that says Bush had sex with farm animals. And one that says the moon is made of cheese.

Yup, obscure internet sites ... that's what I call real hard evidence.

Attack me all you want, the question stands: Do you have any evidence for your cryptic conspiracy theory other than obscure internet sites? Yes or no.

As well, your cryptic conspiracy theory is already a derailment. No complaint, but that you switch topics yet again when asked to provide evidence is duly noted.

To be clear: I have zero interest in obviscation. Just answer the question. Yes/no. Better yet, provide the links.
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I've got a link that should settle the matter.

MattJ
 
BPSCG said:
Link doesn't work.
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Bizarre. Well maybe if one cuts/pastes this?

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...ountered_on_kerry_record_of_inactive_service/

or try this tinyurl:

http://tinyurl.com/5hcrn

Or here's the text:

With the revival of questions about whether President Bush fulfilled his National Guard duty, some of Kerry's critics have begun to focus on what Kerry did in the Naval Reserve, asking why he hasn't released records of his reserve service. The Kerry campaign says that he was on inactive status at the time and did not have to appear for Naval Reserve duty.

"He had no obligation," Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said.

"The only obligation was that he inform the Navy where he could be reached."

Meehan said that Kerry was not paid for being in the Naval Reserve and would have been called to duty only if the US government had exhausted other means of finding sailors, such as the draft.

Two knowledgeable people contacted by the Globe reviewed Kerry's record and agreed with that conclusion. "Everything looks in order," said Stephen Keith, a retired admiral who is executive director of the nonpartisan Naval Reserve Association. "It is very, very normal."

Keith said critics who have suggested that Kerry should have shown up for drills in the Naval Reserve are mistaken. "He doesn't have an obligation to drill."

Lawrence Korb, who oversaw reserve affairs as assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration and who also served in the Navy and the Naval Reserve, concurred that Kerry had no obligation to the Naval Reserve other than providing an update on his whereabouts.

"I went through the same thing," said Korb, who declined to say which candidate he supports in this year's presidential campaign.

"You are not required to do anything."
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That should settle it, unless crimresearch has some specific refutations of what is in the article.

MattJ
 
Suddenly said:
Any claims that 1) somehow makes true that no evidence exists for the claims stated in the memos, or that this conclusively rebutts any of that evidence is the point I object to. There is evidence. [/B]
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Bush dodged the draft, went A.W.O.L, and lied to the American people.

My evidence is that I had chicken for lunch.

NO there isnt any evidence. You can call it evidence all you want. Funny that the LINK you gave to "evidence" did NOT mention the memos. FUNNY that NOW you claim the evidence IS the memos. FUNNY that.
 
rockoon said:
Bush dodged the draft, went A.W.O.L, and lied to the American people.
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That isn't the claim from the memos, the first and last are obviously not anywhere near the subject of the memos and the second goes far beyond what is established. At best they show that one officer was concerned over Bush's lack of face time. Big whoop.



NO there isnt any evidence. You can call it evidence all you want. Funny that the LINK you gave to "evidence" did NOT mention the memos. FUNNY that NOW you claim the evidence IS the memos. FUNNY that.
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Actually, even if we use the silly claims that you are apparently saying arise from the substance of the memo, then what I supply is evidence. You apparently have a problem with the concept of "not being there" being evidence of being AWOL. Of course, there needs to be an additional element, that the absence was not allowed in order to prove he was AWOL, and I make no claim that I have presented evidence of that.

I can't wait to see if anyone is dumb enough to now take the above and say I am making claims that Bush was actually AWOL in a technical sense. I somehow expect no less seeing the intellectual level of this discussion.

I never claimed the memo was evidence. If it appears so it is a typo, seeing that the post you refer to presumes the memo is not genuine and discusses what can be concluded as a result of the memo not being genuine.

In case you missed it, the full list was:

1) The memo is not genuine.

For you I will add:

2) CBS news messed up

So where you get that I say that the memo is evidence for anything other than the memo not being genuine is unclear and does not appear connected to reality in any way.
 
If you look back.. you will note that I quoted you as saying there is evidence. However you have not presented any. You did present a link to an opinion piece which itself negated the "evidence" you NOW claim (3rd unique claim of evidence from you) by stating the Bush had permission.

Thanks.
 
varwoche said:
Hey, I found a cool website that says Bush had sex with farm animals. And one that says the moon is made of cheese.

Yup, obscure internet sites ... that's what I call real hard evidence.

Attack me all you want, the question stands: Do you have any evidence for your cryptic conspiracy theory other than obscure internet sites? Yes or no.

As well, your cryptic conspiracy theory is already a derailment. No complaint, but that you switch topics yet again when asked to provide evidence is duly noted.

To be clear: I have zero interest in obviscation. Just answer the question. Yes/no. Better yet, provide the links.
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Not until you back up your assertions that *I* have a conspiracy theory with facts.
I have pointed out that other people have conspiracy theories, and in order to identify them have quoted what *they* claim, but I've not advanced any conspiracy theory of my own...

But then you already knew that when you posted that lie, didn't you?
 
Okay, I guess there won't be much new to this story until they start unearthing the evidence that CBS was in collusion with the DNC and/or the Kerry campaign.

So until then, this will have to do. No new revelations here; it's just laugh-out-loud funny.

Oh, BTW, it's Ann Coulter, so liberal weenies, be forewarned.
 
aerocontrols said:
Bizarre. <SNIP>
That should settle it, unless crimresearch has some specific refutations of what is in the article.

MattJ
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I don't have anything but questions.

The Navy SEALs researcher claims that Kerry signed an *active reserve* contract...Kerry claims that it was inactive...the difference would be huge, but so far, if either side has produced any documents, I haven't seen them.

Similar thing for the fake medal commendations and the DD-214...the Stolen Valor researchers say they can't exist, (and on this Lehman and the regulations appear to back them) Kerry claims they do, and refuses to release his records.

So, no...I can't say that this settles it, one way or the other...still more questions than answers.
 
Originally posted by Suddenly
Perhaps I will say that there is "some strong evidence." "Strong" is completely subjective so I have no clue what you are whining about. Keep digging.
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I noticed the rather squirmy way you prefaced your remark with the word "perhaps". Are you that unable to come to a decision on whether there is strong evidence or not?

As to "strong" being completely subjective. It boggles the mind that you would think so. You seem to be implying that strong can mean the same as "weak" or even less than that.

By your definiton, one could still say truthfully, there is strong evidence that the CBS memos were actually typed back in 1972. No rational person believes that anymore.

What kind of rational communication would be possible if people arbitrarily redefined words as you seem so ready and willing to do?

Any rational person would say the word strong is defined as having having a bounding definition that ranges from above average in strength to infinite strength. Only within that range can the word be considered subjective.

This is my problem with you. You accused me of having "admitted bias". When called to prove it, you provide nothing of substance to back up your assertion and still fail to retract your statement.

Evidently you realized that "admitted" could not be construed loosely enough to back you position. So you decided to stonewall rather than retract. You work for CBS?

All I wanted and would still like, is a retraction or proof. You have continually failed to provide either.

Well, at least I've gained some insight into the quality of your character.

Bob
 
crimresearch said:
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Fine, you have answered my question implicitly. I now assume that your cryptic innuendo is based solely on an obscure internet site. That's all I wanted to know.
 
rockoon said:
you NOW claim (3rd unique claim of evidence from you) by stating the Bush had permission.

Thanks.
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Ahhh, so we can narrow it down to you being a troll or being just really stupid.

Of course, there needs to be an additional element, that the absence was not allowed in order to prove he was AWOL, and I make no claim that I have presented evidence of that.
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You say this is a claim, when I actually explicitly say I make no claim about this.

So, is this you being a troll or do you actually believe what you posted above?
 
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