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Obama's Legacy

Obama did accelerate the move to energy independence - but at the cost of fracking.

No he didn't. The fracking revolution, which has been responsible for our surge in energy production, happened in spite of Obama, not because of him. The alternative energy sources that he's promoted have had almost zero impact.
 
More whining from conservative sore winners. Well, anything to divert attention from the impending Trump train wreck.....

The true legacy of Obama will that his bad days will be far, far better than a Trump's (few) good ones.
 
More whining from conservative sore winners. Well, anything to divert attention from the impending Trump train wreck.....

The true legacy of Obama will that his bad days will be far, far better than a Trump's (few) good ones.

I wonder if today, tomorrow, or the day after that will be worse than September 11, 2012 was. Although maybe from the perspective of an Obama supporter, nothing bad happened on September 11, 2012.
 
I wonder if today, tomorrow, or the day after that will be worse than September 11, 2012 was. Although maybe from the perspective of an Obama supporter, nothing bad happened on September 11, 2012.

Ooh!! A Benghazi reference.

You win eleventy internetz points! Collect them at the gate of the FEMA camp when you get there.

Its amazing how your fake patriotism and fake outrage gets stored like a squirrel hiding acorns, when the prior administration had an even worse time defending consulates and embassies (not to mention the US Capital and NYC) but one screwup by the black guy, and WHAMMO!! Time to divvy out the outrage!
 
This is an excellent analysis of Obama's legacy in spite of the spin from his eloquent mouth. The only legacy he can claim is that he was the first Black President. Anything further than that is pure political spin. Some of the unilateral actions he claims will be undone in the coming weeks and months leaving little memory of his occupancy of the "house that slaves built".

I fully expect a barrage of whiny half baked protests mostly of the "shoot the messenger" type. I will enjoy the avalanche of half baked rebuttals in puking disgust while reading afterwards as I will be mostly engaged in watching the inauguration of the new "Sheriff in town". Therefore I will only participate in the thread as time permits, perhaps during commercial breaks, if any. I eagerly await the gangbang. :D

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...oversial-legacy-what-obama-leaves-behind.html

I had a scan, and it is not frankly worth my time. They speak of political failure but roughly only fox news and far right wing reps state that. The populace does not seem to see it this way, as Oboma approval is quite high, compared to others. Heck it is higher than trump's right now.

As such fox news are so divorced from reality, but that's something usual from faux news, that it is not worth debatting.
 
Ooh!! A Benghazi reference.

You win eleventy internetz points! Collect them at the gate of the FEMA camp when you get there.

Its amazing how your fake patriotism and fake outrage gets stored like a squirrel hiding acorns, when the prior administration had an even worse time defending consulates and embassies (not to mention the US Capital and NYC) but one screwup by the black guy, and WHAMMO!! Time to divvy out the outrage!

Wow, you strung a lot of words together there. See? Things are better already.
 
Except for Obamacare, none of those things were policies. They're simply things that happened, for which he took credit. He certainly didn't "save" the auto industry. Do you think we wouldn't have car companies anymore if he hadn't bailed out union pensions at the expense of bondholders? Once again, this is the kind of shallow analysis that I've come to expect from Obama supporters.

Once again, this is the kind of BS I've come to expect from the Vast Right-Wing BS Machine. But okay, I'm not an economist; please explain to me where Paul Krugman gets it wrong:

What the Stimulus Accomplished

Paul Krugman said:
“The ‘stimulus’ has turned out to be a classic case of big promises and big spending with little results,” wrote Speaker John Boehner. “Five years and hundreds of billions of dollars later, millions of families are still asking, ‘where are the jobs?’ ”


The stimulus could have done more good had it been bigger and more carefully constructed. But put simply, it prevented a second recession that could have turned into a depression. It created or saved an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years. (There are the jobs, Mr. Boehner.) It raised the nation’s economic output by 2 to 3 percent from 2009 to 2011. It prevented a significant increase in poverty — without it, 5.3 million additional people would have become poor in 2010.


And yet Republicans were successful in discrediting the very idea that federal spending can boost the economy and raise employment. They made the argument that the stimulus was a failure not just to ensure that Mr. Obama would get no credit for the recovery that did occur, but to justify their obstruction of all further attempts at stimulus.


So the American Jobs Act was killed, and so was the infrastructure bank and any number of other spending proposals that might have helped the country. The president’s plan to spend another $56 billion on job training, education and energy efficiency, to be unveiled in his budget next month, will almost certainly suffer a similar fate.


The Republican congress blocked policies they disagreed with.

I.e., "anything that would make Obama look good," (see above) and carrying out the knee-jerk obstructionism they planned from Day 1.

Things probably would have been worse if they hadn't blocked those policies. Ending the repeated extension of long-term unemployment benefits probably contributed more to the drop in unemployment than virtually anything Obama did.

No, things probably could have been much better if Obama hadn't been fighting every step of the way against people determined to see him fail, regardless of what that meant to the country. And regardless of the words coming out of Trump's mouth, what working-class America will now get for their recent purchase of BS is a heapin' helpin' of the same thing that caused much of their misery: Reagan neoliberalism.
 
I don't believe any of that.

The US military is still the far largest in the world in terms of both manpower and spending. All measures of "world peace" show fewer wars and deaths than at any other time in history. Not one single ally has abandoned us. Every "fact" you cite is wrong. It's not just a matter of opinion, it's actually wrong.

Well, it really doesn't matter what you believe.

http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/assessments/us-military-power/

I didn't say our allies had abandoned us, I said they don't trust us.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/10/why-our-allies-just-dont-trust-us/

Who is responsible for sequestration?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ble-for-the-sequester/?utm_term=.8b3cc8d6a470

I can get more if you insist.
 

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