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Obama's Legacy

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This is an excellent analysis of Obama's legacy in spite of the spin from his eloquent mouth. The only legacy he can claim is that he was the first Black President. Anything further than that is pure political spin. Some of the unilateral actions he claims will be undone in the coming weeks and months leaving little memory of his occupancy of the "house that slaves built".

I fully expect a barrage of whiny half baked protests mostly of the "shoot the messenger" type. I will enjoy the avalanche of half baked rebuttals in puking disgust while reading afterwards as I will be mostly engaged in watching the inauguration of the new "Sheriff in town". Therefore I will only participate in the thread as time permits, perhaps during commercial breaks, if any. I eagerly await the gangbang. :D

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...oversial-legacy-what-obama-leaves-behind.html
 
Reheat said:
This is an excellent analysis of Obama's legacy in spite of the spin from his eloquent mouth. The only legacy he can claim is that he was the first Black President. Anything further than that is pure political spin.
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Well, I'm sure that article is entirely unbiased. I mean, you've posted it, used very neutral language to characterise its subject, and it's Fox news. Fair and balanced, right?
 
Argumemnon said:
Well, I'm sure that article is entirely unbiased. I mean, you've posted it, used very neutral language to characterise its subject, and it's Fox news. Fair and balanced, right?
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Sure. And the first post in the thread is "Shoot the Messenger". I am not disappointed with my prediction. Good show...
 
fagin said:
Oddly enough, the article is a hell of a lot more balanced than the OP.
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Very much so. The article gives him credit for a lot more than just being the first black president.

However, the article did not include McConnell's declaration that the Republicans were going to block everything that Obama wanted to do and because of that, it's a miracle anything got done.
 
Spindrift said:
Very much so. The article gives him credit for a lot more than just being the first black president.

However, the article did not include McConnell's declaration that the Republicans were going to block everything that Obama wanted to do and because of that, it's a miracle anything got done.
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That's exactly what I asked McConnell and my own Senators and Representatives to do once I saw his objectives. Based on the replies I received that's exactly what many other did, as well. They represented me to the fullest, which is what I and many of the people who voted for Trump asked, as well. Democracy is a bitch isn't it?
 
The question of a newly-departing president's legacy is not usually something that historians or political scientists tend to care about. It takes about 30-40 years to really be able to put the president's work in context of larger social movements.

I believe Obama was instrumental in ending the housing/banking crises. Compare this to gay rights, which I think was an issue whose time had come. Maybe Obama shifted it two or three years, but it was still inevitable. The ACA, while despised by Republicans, did offer insurance to tens of millions of uninsured. Now, Republicans talk about repealing it but the concept of simply canceling all those insurance policies is somewhat unthinkable. So, he changed the question from "should we insure" to "how best can we insure." That's a difference that's going to stick.

I worry most about he foreign policy legacy. Except for Cuba, he took no particualrly bold steps, preferring an incremental approach. That might not translate into lasting change.

Ask me again in 2060.
 
Reheat said:
This is an excellent analysis of Obama's legacy in spite of the spin from his eloquent mouth. The only legacy he can claim is that he was the first Black President. Anything further than that is pure political spin. Some of the unilateral actions he claims will be undone in the coming weeks and months leaving little memory of his occupancy of the "house that slaves built".

I fully expect a barrage of whiny half baked protests mostly of the "shoot the messenger" type. I will enjoy the avalanche of half baked rebuttals in puking disgust while reading afterwards as I will be mostly engaged in watching the inauguration of the new "Sheriff in town". Therefore I will only participate in the thread as time permits, perhaps during commercial breaks, if any. I eagerly await the gangbang. :D

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...oversial-legacy-what-obama-leaves-behind.html
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That's some hard-hitting in-depth analysis, right there.
 
Reheat said:
That's exactly what I asked McConnell and my own Senators and Representatives to do once I saw his objectives. Based on the replies I received that's exactly what many other did, as well. They represented me to the fullest, which is what I and many of the people who voted for Trump asked, as well. Democracy is a bitch isn't it?
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What objectives of Obama had you so concerned?
 
Honestly, any legacy - positive or negative - will largely depend on how much is undone by the Mango in Chief over the next four years, and whether those actions improve things or cause complete and total chaos*.

Example - Obamacare.

If Trump is right** and repealing Obamacare will magically result in more people being insured, Obama's legacy will be one of an ineffectual president.

OTOH, if a year from now nobody without employer-provided heatlh insurance can afford coverage, Obama's term will be looked back upon as Ye Olde Goldene Yearse.


* I know which way I'm betting.
** Hahahahahahahahaha
 
Loss Leader said:
I worry most about he foreign policy legacy. Except for Cuba, he took no particualrly bold steps, preferring an incremental approach. That might not translate into lasting change.

Ask me again in 2060.
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That's perhaps the my largest personal complaint against him. He "screwed the pooch" royally primarily with the "leading from behind" insane philosophy. Our allies don't trust and our enemies don't fear us. He has reduced our military to a mere shadow of it's former self. Every time that has happened in modern history it has been followed by another freaking war. He must be totally ignorant of history or else he wanted to reduce us to the dustbin of history much like the once British Empire. No, I don't agree with colonization, but I do support world stability and peace. It is now worse than when he took office.
 
Reheat said:
He has reduced our military to a mere shadow of it's former self.
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Could I see evidence both of this and of the requirement for the US military to outstrip the total spending of those in second through about seventh or eighth place combined (half of whom are US allies)
 
Reheat said:
That's perhaps the my largest personal complaint against him. He "screwed the pooch" royally primarily with the "leading from behind" insane philosophy. Our allies don't trust and our enemies don't fear us. He has reduced our military to a mere shadow of it's former self. Every time that has happened in modern history it has been followed by another freaking war. He must be totally ignorant of history or else he wanted to reduce us to the dustbin of history much like the once British Empire. No, I don't agree with colonization, but I do support world stability and peace. It is now worse than when he took office.
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A mere shadow? Under what measurement? Certainly not personnel or spending.
 
Argumemnon said:
Yeah but remember: post-fact world doesn't need "measurements'.
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What do you mean, apparently the U.S. military is horribly depleted...

Even in times of isolationism in the 1930's, the USN had dozens of battleships, now it has none - I mean sure it has other vessels that are far more effective and useful than battleships but you cannot argue with the fact that it has fewer battleships.

Likewise with the USAF, it has a fraction of number of planes it used to have. I suppose you could argue that a single F22 is a more potent weapon than a whole squadron of P38s, but on a purely numeric basis, it is depleted.

People who claim that the US military is seriously underfunded and underequipped will not be happy until military spending once again accounts for more than 10% of GDP regardless of the actual threat or actual utility of the equipment purchased :rolleyes:
 
The Don said:
What do you mean, apparently the U.S. military is horribly depleted...

Even in times of isolationism in the 1930's, the USN had dozens of battleships, now it has none - I mean sure it has other vessels that are far more effective and useful than battleships but you cannot argue with the fact that it has fewer battleships.

Likewise with the USAF, it has a fraction of number of planes it used to have. I suppose you could argue that a single F22 is a more potent weapon than a whole squadron of P38s, but on a purely numeric basis, it is depleted.

People who claim that the US military is seriously underfunded and underequipped will not be happy until military spending once again accounts for more than 10% of GDP regardless of the actual threat or actual utility of the equipment purchased :rolleyes:
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No, no. That's all irrelevant. Reheat's been told by Trump and the GOP that the military had taken a hit from the Democrats, so he thought about it and determined that, yes, he did feel that the army was only a shadow of its former self, and that, his gut told him, Obama was to blame.

****, what more do you need, here?
 
Argumemnon said:
No, no. That's all irrelevant. Reheat's been told by Trump and the GOP that the military had taken a hit from the Democrats, so he thought about it and determined that, yes, he did feel that the army was only a shadow of its former self, and that, his gut told him, Obama was to blame.

****, what more do you need, here?
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I'm sure he'll be along with numbers to back up his claim any minute...




















~aaany minute...
 
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