Obama's Katrina!

[Blue Mountain]

Finally, my advice is get a Mac. You won't get so many popups.

LOL! Another fail!

For your information, running Linux + Firefox, with the MVPS HOSTS file AND noscript. And I still got the popup. That's because it wasn't delivered from a third party, it came directly from the site you linked to.

 

[kevinquinnyo]

LOL! Another fail!

For your information, running Linux + Firefox, with the MVPS HOSTS file AND noscript. And I still got the popup. That's because it wasn't delivered from a third party, it came directly from the site you linked to.

So, did you read the article or not?

 

[BeAChooser]

For your information, running Linux + Firefox, with the MVPS HOSTS file AND noscript. And I still got the popup. That's because it wasn't delivered from a third party, it came directly from the site you linked to.

Like I said, get a Mac. Because I get no popups whatsoever at the site.

 

[BeAChooser]

So, did you read the article or not?

Of course not. He probably had trouble just getting the popup off his blue screen.

 

[Juniversal]

What's to read? The artical amounts to nothing but pointing out mounting criticism by the so-called mainstream (i.e. "Liberal") media of the administrations apparent failure to take advantage of all international offers. It's basically an "I told ya so" from a conservative blog.

What I find interesting is the site criticizes the administration for not taking advantage of all the offers but they don't mention number of offers being taken advantage of currently or if it's logistically possible (or realistic) to take advantage of all the offers.

 

[The Painter]

What I find interesting is the site criticizes the administration for not taking advantage of all the offers but they don't mention number of offers being taken advantage of currently or if it's logistically possible (or realistic) to take advantage of all the offers.

Over 2 months later!!! How much of that oil spill could have been "sucked up" in those 2 months? How many beaches and wet lands could have been saved from oil fouling if the efforts were started 2 month sooner???

Obama is and has been in charge. For 2 months he has done virtually nothing. There is no urgency here. He is inept

 

[BeAChooser]

Obama is and has been in charge. For 2 months he has done virtually nothing. There is no urgency here. He is inept

Which is why this is Obama's Katrina.

 

[Juniversal]

Over 2 months later!!! How much of that oil spill could have been "sucked up" in those 2 months? How many beaches and wet lands could have been saved from oil fouling if the efforts were started 2 month sooner???

Obama is and has been in charge. For 2 months he has done virtually nothing. There is no urgency here. He is inept

"Obama doesn't care about expansive bodies of water... "

But seriously. The ineptitude as you conclude would reach far beyond Obama and his singular influence and speak volumes about the federal Gov't in general. Not sure what that 2 month figure is supposed to reflect but the administration/Obama surely acted prior to two months after the spill and I imagine the initial Federal effort was mostly focused on attempting to restrain the spill. Also all of the International offers require some form of reimbursment or compensation. Surely the U.S. is taking advantage of our own resources before embracing international resources.

 

[BeAChooser]

Meanwhile, Obama went golfing on the 4th. I believe that's the eighth time since the spill began.

Remember all the flack the left and MSM gave Bush for continuing a vacation that was already underway when Katrina struck? Stories like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/31/AR2005083101283.html

Where are similar stories in the MSM now? Afterall, Obama compared this spill to 9/11. Surely that's as serious as Katrina was?

Remember columns like this?

http://michaelmoore.com/words/mikes...en-letter-from-michael-moore-to-george-w-bush

Where's Michael Moore now?

The hypocrisy of the left is starkly brought out by Obama's Katrina.

 

[Lurker]

BAC, you said you answered this question already. If you could point me to which post you definitively provided your opinion on this I would appreciate it. Again, in case you forgot the question is:

Do you think Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh (and others) are right or wrong when the say that the reason we are deepwater drilling is because environmentalists have forced them into deep water by not allowing drilling on land or in shallower coastal waters?

Thanks!

 

[Lurker]

BAC:

Since I have given you plenty of opportunities to directly answer the question and you continue to refuse to do so I am left thinking that you don't want to answer the question because you know the answer does two things:

1. It absolves environmentalists of blame for the BP oil spill and we know you would prefer to think they are to blame despite evidence to the contrary. You would prefer to keep a consistent world view that environmentalists are the bad guys as it fits your politics.

2. You are especially loath to call out your conservative heros, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and admit that are either ignorant or directly lying to us in this matter.

Sometimes reality does have a liberal bias and the truth is we would be in deepwater drilling no matter how loose our environmental policies were allowed to be.

People are wrong from time to time. Admitting fallibility and error is not a crime. Of course if they are not merely ignorant and are actually directly lying to us that does call into question their credibility and I guess that is what you are desperately trying to avoid.

 

[Meadmaker]

Where's Michael Moore now?

The hypocrisy of the left is starkly brought out by Obama's Katrina.

Michael Moore only engages in this sort of rhetoric when criticizing right wing politicians.

You only engage in this sort of rhetoric when criticizing left wing politicians.

He does it much better than you, which is why he is a rich man, but neither you nor he is taken very seriously by most of the world. Ironically, the right wing takes Michael Moore much more seriously than the left.


Meanwhile, you consistently fail to grasp why the oil spill and Obama's failure to deal with it is not very much like Hurricane Katrina and Bush's failure to deal with it, and it seems highly unlikely that you ever will.

 

[The Painter]

Meanwhile, you consistently fail to grasp why the oil spill and Obama's failure to deal with it is not very much like Hurricane Katrina and Bush's failure to deal with it, and it seems highly unlikely that you ever will.

The same can be said of you. The actual event is not the issue. It's the aftermath. Obama dealing with the aftermath is worse than Bush's dealing with Katrina's aftermath.

 

[Meadmaker]

The same can be said of you. The actual event is not the issue. It's the aftermath. Obama dealing with the aftermath is worse than Bush's dealing with Katrina's aftermath.

But very few people see it that way, and for very good reason.

Obama is dealing with a situation where the brightest and most experienced people can't figure out how to solve the problem. Bush was dealing with a very simple issue and he couldn't get it done.

More accurately, Bush wasn't dealing with a very simple issue. He was standing back and letting a very simple issue get out of control. It took him four days to manage to get drinking water to a stadium and a convention center.

 

[applecorped]

More accurately, Bush wasn't dealing with a very simple issue. He was standing back and letting a very simple issue get out of control. It took him four days to manage to get drinking water to a stadium and a convention center.

A simple issue?

 

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by The Painter
Obama dealing with the aftermath is worse than Bush's dealing with Katrina's aftermath.

But very few people see it that way, and for very good reason.

Really? Is that why his poll numbers are so high? And I wonder what they are along the coast states right now?

 

[Meadmaker]

A simple issue?

Yeah. A simple issue.

How hard do you suppose it is to get a filtration system and/or bottled water to 30,000 or so people? A big task? Sure. For an army? Not really a problem.

Unless you just don't care.

 

[BeAChooser]

How hard do you suppose it is to get a filtration system and/or bottled water to 30,000 or so people? A big task? Sure. For an army? Not really a problem.

Unless you just don't care.

And how hard do you think it would have been to gather up most of the oil that was being released, when the US has thousands of skimmers and other countries were offering ones that almost by themselves could have collected most of the oil that was being released? Unless you just don't care.

 

[Meadmaker]

And how hard do you think it would have been to gather up most of the oil that was being released, when the US has thousands of skimmers and other countries were offering ones that almost by themselves could have collected most of the oil that was being released? Unless you just don't care.

Apparently it would have been a very large task. BP could have saved a whole heck of a lot of money by using one of those skimmers, and I'm certain that they cared.

Unless of course those skimmers that would have taken care of the spill are the product of a right wing fantasy machine.

 

[BeAChooser]

Unless of course those skimmers that would have taken care of the spill are the product of a right wing fantasy machine.

Yeah … a right wing fantasy.

http://www.examiner.com/x-325-Globa...econsiders-Dutch-offer-to-supply-oil-skimmers

June 12

The U.S. Government has apparently reconsidered a Dutch offer to supply 4 oil skimmers. These are large arms that are attached to oil tankers that pump oil and water from the surface of the ocean into the tanker. Water pumped into the tanker will settle to the bottom of the tanker and is then pumped back into the ocean to make room for more oil. Each system will collect 5,000 tons of oil each day.

One ton of oil is about 7.3 barrels. 5,000 tons per day is 36,500 barrels per day. 4 skimmers have a capacity of 146,000 barrels per day. That is much greater than the high end estimate of the leak. The skimmers work best in calm water, which is the usual condition this time of year in the gulf.


… snip …


The Dutch offered to fly their skimmer arm systems to the Gulf 3 days after the oil spill started. The offer was apparently turned down because EPA regulations do not allow water with oil to be pumped back into the ocean. If all the oily water was retained in the tanker, the capacity of the system would be greatly diminished because most of what is pumped into the tanker is sea water.

As of June 8th, BP reported that they have collected 64,650 barrels of oil in the Gulf. That is only a fraction of the amount of oil spilled from the well. That is less than one day’s rated capacity of the Dutch oil skimmers.