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Obama's Katrina!

BeAChooser said:
Can you be more specific or are you hiding behind vagueness?
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That post would have been more appropriate comiong out of the mouth of that stupid fat deaf eunuch sitting down in his mansion/studio in Florida than posted to a skeptics' forum.
 
ABC poll - BP response worse than Katrina

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/M...se-katrina-criminal-charges/story?id=10846473

"By more than a 2-to-1 margin, Americans support the pursuit of criminal charges in the nation's worst oil spill , with increasing numbers calling it a major environmental disaster. Eight in 10 criticize the way BP's handled it – and more people give the federal government's response a negative rating than did the response to Hurricane Katrina.

A month and a half after the spill began, 69 percent in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll rate the federal response negatively. That compares with a 62 negative rating for the response to Katrina two weeks after the August 2005 hurricane."






Comparing a month and half response time to two weeks seems odd.
 
applecorped said:
Comparing a month and half response time to two weeks seems odd.
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That probably has more to do with the types of disaster than anything. Katrina would have produced much greater emotional responses far earlier than the leak. American sentiments over the oil leak out in the gulf are most-likely a combination of frustration over the amount of time it's taken to fix it, the fact that criminal charges haven't been filed (America seems to be going through a confusing phase of pro-capitalism yet anti-corporation), and the belief that the government can actually do more to fix this but everyone is just sitting on their hands. Whereas Katrina had human faces they could put on TV and generate emotional response immediately. Explaining the negative affects this oil spill will have on the environment and jobs just won't produce the same kind of response that human faces will.

It's still a really odd thing to do but comparing the collective "meh" the American people had two weeks after the initial spill with two weeks after Katrina wouldn't have caught headlines like "Obama is worse than Bush! Obama is worse than Bush!"
 
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When TV news crews are able to get to the bottom of the sea to plug the leak, like they were able to travel to NO with supplies after the storm, with no equivalent federal response, get back to me.

Daredelvis
 
It's pretty rediculous how this oil rig explosion is compared to Katrina. Apples and oranges really. It seems the media thinks very two dimensionally. FEMA's seemingly delayed response to save human lives VS. the Gov't's ability to plug a hole. :boggled:
 
Juniversal said:
It's pretty rediculous how this oil rig explosion is compared to Katrina. Apples and oranges really. It seems the media thinks very two dimensionally. FEMA's seemingly delayed response to save human lives VS. the Gov't's ability to plug a hole. :boggled:
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......and save livelihoods.
 
The govt's lack of ability to plug the well is not the problem.

The govt's lack of effective response to the spill on surface is the problem.
 
This is absurd. Katrina was an act of God. The leak was an act of the nosferatu who used to be ourt Vice President and his corporatist swine buddies and corrupt beaurocrats who admire them.

The corporatists who have been running the show since the jelly-brain from California started dismantling the government destroyed some of the resources that Obama needs now and set us up to suffer this mess.

So now they are whining about Obama's not having the resources to fix what they fouled. Swine.

Some of us were under the impression that quick-response teams had been put together after the rape of Prince Wiiliam sound by the oil punks.

Guess not. Why not? Ask the nearest Republicant that question.
 
Sounds like a majority of the country likes the concept of a nanny like government. Perhaps applecorped and AlBell can help influence the Republican agenda to ensure the government gets more control over corporations and support increased taxes to ensure funds are available. Alternatively, they could support removing the corporate welfare.

Let me know how you plan on working that out, k?

Either that or we're just seeing another example of ODS, which is where my money is.

Just to jump in before the usual subjects make the point...the other side does it as well and as skeptics, we all know that makes it all okay.
 
applecorped said:
Comparing a month and half response time to two weeks seems odd.
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A few questions:

Is the above statement genuine, or are you just shooting spitballs?

Can you explain what response by the government didn't come for a month and a half?

What response do you feel the government should have made that would have been (in your opinion) more satisfying to the public?


Oh, and when answering those questions feel free to use timelines like this or this to help explain your point.
 
leftysergeant said:
Some of us were under the impression that quick-response teams had been put together after the rape of Prince Wiiliam
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For a wild moment I thought there had been a news story far more titillating than any number of hurricanes and oil spills, and wondered how it had escaped my notice.
 
TragicMonkey said:
For a wild moment I thought there had been a news story far more titillating than any number of hurricanes and oil spills, and wondered how it had escaped my notice.
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What we want to know is: was he wearing that fancy dress uniform at the time?
 
AlBell said:
The govt's lack of ability to plug the well is not the problem.

The govt's lack of effective response to the spill on surface is the problem.
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And, what would you have the Government/Obama do that they are not doing? Are you arguing that the government has the means and ability to plug the lean and hasn't done so? Are you arguing that they've not punished BP enough...but this is just starting to untangle as a legal/civil matter? Are you arguing that government inaction caused lives to be lost or failed to save lives? Or are you arguing that government lax regulation of the oil industry (pushed hard under the previous administration) helped contribute to the mess but you will hold Obama solely responsible because it is on his watch that the seeds the Bush administration sowed sprouted?

I don't understand what those who complain about government inacction here would have government do that it isn't doing, so please help me to understand? I'm sure things could be done better, but which things?

Also, I'm constantly amazed at those who so often want smaller government are now all hot to put the burden of solving this messed...caused not by nature but by private business...on government. I understand that government must respond in a natural emergency...and even in a man-made emergency where life and safety is in danger (and would posit that it is trying to do so), but you can't have it both ways it seems to me. You can't expect government to clean up corporate messes while at the same time arguing that government should be smaller, cheaper and out of the regulating the market place business...
 
headscratcher4 said:
you can't have it both ways it seems to me. You can't expect government to clean up corporate messes while at the same time arguing that government should be smaller, cheaper and out of the regulating the market place business...
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Reasonable people don't expect to have it both ways, but most people are not reasonable. They choke to death trying to simultaneously eat and keep their cake.
 
No need for more socialism or corporate control; the military is already available and are the one group possibly capable of effectively combating the surface spill.

They should have been placed in charge of cleanup operations at about day 2 or 3.

Operations on plugging the blowout and capturing what can be captured are a BP and relevant contractor problem.
 
AlBell said:
No need for more socialism or corporate control; the military is already available and are the one group possibly capable of effectively combating the surface spill.
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And if the military does it, it is not socialism because...?

Daredelvis
 
And you know they could have controlled the spill because? Please enumerate how the military would have contained this spill in ways that BP could not? Wouldn't those methods be as useful now -- to curb the ongoing leak -- as they would have been at day 2 or 3? Yet, even though the military is now involved, they've not yet plugged the leak...so your suggesting what? That the military is purposefully witholding its leak plugging capability to create a greater disaster?

The leak isn't plugged because BP, Haliburton and others in the business aren't sure how to do it. The military doesn't specialize in oil leak plugging or oil rig disaster clean-up. What the military is now doing in the Gulf is a gerry-rigged operation trying to figure out how to mitigate the EFFECTS of the leak...not plug it.

Your point doesn't make any sense.
 
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