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Obama's Christmas Day Bomber Lie

BeAChooser said:
Well Joe, then please provide links to the threads where the content of the speech has been discussed. Because I looked and didn't find any at JREF, other than the one I posted (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166031) and in that one no one has even attempted to challenge any of the specifics and complaints I cited. The only other instance I found at JREF where the SOTU was the topic was this, http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166016 , which starts as follows "It occured to me while perusing the political boards that there is no discussion of the SOTU address." And that thread contains no discussion of the specifics in the address. So by all means, Joe, point me to the discussions you claim I missed. :D
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Funny that you cite a couple of threads that discuss the SOTU to defend your claim that none of us want to actually discuss it.

Aside from the two threads you cited that do indeed have examples of "us" discussing the content of the speech, this thread started about the countdown to the speech, but has since become a discussion of the content. (And I think it's responsible for there not being a thread specifically on the SOTU address, because when people went to start one, they found this one already existed.)
 
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_most_important_story_you_d.html

A Senate hearing last week confirmed the public's worst concern about Barack Obama: that when it comes to national security, Obama hasn't just been asleep at the switch -- he hasn't even bothered to find the switch.

"I do not think he [Obama] has a firm grasp yet on the intelligence community," 9/11 Commission Vice-Chairman and former Democrat congressman Lee Hamilton told the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

This, even though Obama has been in office for over a year now.

… snip ...

And, despite the Obama administration's attempt to -- what else? -- blame Bush for the intelligence failings, the commission chairmen testified that 80% of their panel's recommendations have been implemented since they made them.

Almost all of those changes happened during the Bush administration.

The major exception? The recommendation that the commission called among the most important: reform of congressional oversight of the intelligence community. Yet Congress, which has been in the control of Democrats for the majority of time since the 9/11 Commission urged the changes, has failed to implement them.

… snip ...

The picture that emerged from the hearing was of a president uninterested in national security, more concerned about health scare and cap-and-tax than in preventing what his Homeland Security chief infamously called "man-caused disasters"; of an administration more busy fighting turf wars than waging the real war against Islamic terrorists -- whom Obama refuses to even call by that name; of a Commander-in-Chief who doesn't take seriously his most essential job of protecting this country's citizens, more focused on extending terrorists these citizens' rights than he is on gathering the intelligence needed to keep Americans safe.
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Sounds like a bunch of rightwing ideolouges whining over the fact that Obama is going ahead with the work that the Shrub neglected instead of throwing all our resources into chasing phantoms.

The Shrub installed a massive structure that did not work, and Obama has fewer resources now to fix the mess because the ecconomy is tanking.

The reason it is taking so long for congress to get anything done is that there are a bunch of spoiled babies throwing a tantrum over not getting what they want and preventing anything else from getting done until their infantile wants are met.
 
If, to you, the important thing is whether he said "isolated", and not whether he swiftly initiated coordinated diplomatic and military action in Yemen, then I suggest you do not care, at all, about the security and well being of this country.
 
Here's his reaction. What's he call it? "...failed Christmas terrorist attack..."

I wonder what the "terror" count is in these videos. :)




 
So he's giving up information. Good. The stuff he's giving up now can be used in court since he has been given his Miranda warning.
 
http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/what-we-lost-while-abdulmutallab-clammed

The White House yesterday leaked the news that the Christmas Day bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, had begun cooperating with FBI interrogators last week (BAC - if that's even true). … snip ...


But he started talking five weeks after the attack. Intelligence is perishable. The U.S. government passed on an opportunity to interrogate him at a time when his al Qaeda sponsors in Yemen probably thought he was incapable of talking. And the the fact that he is cooperating now (BAC - if indeed he is) should not obscure the gross mishandling of the incident by the Obama administration.



For those capable of looking beyond the White House spin, the hearing yesterday raised more troubling questions than it answered.



- For days the Obama administration has tried to convince reporters that the Abdulmutallab stopped talking before he was Mirandized. … snip … And yesterday FBI Robert Mueller acknowledged that that Abdulmutallab stopped talking "after he was given" Miranda warnings.



- That's important. One of the greatest concerns about the handling of Abdulmutallab is that FBI interrogators -- in their initial 50 minute interview -- questioned him without the benefit of the information the U.S. intelligence community had collected on him in the six months prior to his attack. Mueller confirmed this, saying, "we did not have much information at 3:30," when Abdulmutallab was initially questioned.

Mueller testified that they had gathered more information on Abdulmutallab to use in his second interrogation. But when the "clean team" met with Abdulmutallab some five hours later to read him his rights, he stopped talking. … snip …

- In testimony before the Senate Homeland Security Committee two weeks ago, Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair testified that the FBI interrogation of Abdulmutallab was a "mistake." Blair and White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan were said to be angry that Abdulmutallab had been Mirandized so quickly and that an opportunity to collect valuable intelligence had been lost.

That changed abruptly on Tuesday. As Senator Kit Bond (R-MO) questioned FBI Director Mueller, Blair interrupted to offer his unsolicited opinion that "the balance struck was a good balance." Blair is supposed to be the independent voice of the intelligence community -- and many intelligence professional remain dismayed at the botched handling of Abdulmutallab on Christmas Day. Why did Blair, the nation's top intelligence official, change his mind?

… snip …

Last week, the White House argued that the FBI had gotten everything they could out of Abdulmutallab in their 50-minutes of interrogation. Today, the same White House is boasting about the valuable intelligence they are getting from him. And the White House press corps reports it without skepticism.
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Do any of JREF's so-call *skeptics* want to comment?

And like I said, when will Obama's supporters get tired of the obvious lies coming from his administration on topic after topic?
 
Not sure if this is the right thread, but the Christmas Day bomber is talking to investigators again.

To sum up the current events:

1. Obama decides to try him as a civilian
2. Guy shuts up when read his rights
3. Zomg, he's part of a big conspiracy, and isn't a lone looney-tune.
4. "OBAMA! What the hell did you do!!!?!?!?"
5. "No problems, mates. Lookie here, he's talking again!"

:popcorn1
 
Whether he's talking or not isn't really relevant. It's his right if he doesn't want to talk. Luckily he is.
 
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...ision-charge-abdulmutallab-criminal-defendent

Attorney General Eric Holder has sent a letter defending the decision to charge Abdulmutallab as a criminal and read him his Miranda rights. This paragraph stuck out immediately:

“I made the decision to charge Mr. Abdulmutallab with federal crimes, and to seek his detention in connection with those charges, with the knowledge of, and with no objection from, all other relevant departments of the government. On the evening of December 25 and again on the morning of December 26, the FBI informed its partners in the Intelligence Community that Abdulmutallab would be charged criminally, and no agency objected to this course of action.”
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(1) While those other departments were informed, according to Holder, this evidently doesn't include the senior-most members of those departments -- per their congressional testimony. Senior officials including DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano have testified that they were not informed of the decision.
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So when are you Obama supporters going to tire of the obvious lies coming from his administration on an almost daily basis? When will you tire of the mainstream media hiding these lies or not following up on them? :D
 
BeAChooser said:
So when are you Obama supporters going to tire of the obvious lies coming from his administration on an almost daily basis?
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It will probably take a while. Afterall, I haven't tired of your obvious lies,which have been much more frequent.
 
So DHS has to know about defendants being tried in the federal court system? We've been trying terrorists in federal courts for decades. Why would we need to debate it now? It's essentially the default course of action and it's directly mirrored by the Richard Reid case.

Much ado about nothing. Just a bunch of partisan nitwits finding an excuse to rant.
 
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