Obama to Apologize for the Osama bin Laden Hit

[gnome]

Omniscient aliens told me you were lying. But you can't see or hear them, so people will have to trust me on this.

 

[Upchurch]

Your thread title is misleading.

No. My thread title is designed to expose the illiterate and lazy.

Oh. So, your thread title is trolling.

 

[sarge]

My sources say that the information was obtained by torture. But my sources cannot go public.

The fact that there is a debate in the mainstream news should be telling enough. If it was a slam-dunk that the information was not obtained by torture, there would be no debate.

I think it is a truth no one wants to believe.

Liberalism is just like a religion. We have strong faith that it was not obtained by torture.

Your thread title is a lie.

And are you really claiming to know a source with credible information about how intel leading to the Osama raid was obtained, and that the source gave this info to you, but that the source (having already violated the law) is okay with you spilling the beans but isn't comfortable coming forward himself? Or are you saying all of this except that you have now betrayed your sources confidence in you? Really?

 

[Travis]

My sources say that the information was obtained by torture. But my sources cannot go public.

My sources say that Natalie Portman only went off with her new man when she learned I was no longer available. But my sources cannot go public.

I think it is a truth no one wants to believe.

Let us suppose it was true. Does the fact that among all the garbage information that torture creates there is the occasional nugget of valuable truth justify the abrogation of our cultural moral values in using the torture to obtain it?

Liberalism is just like a religion. We have strong faith that it was not obtained by torture.

We have someone explicitly saying it wasn't obtained by torture.

 

[DavidJames]

No. My thread title is designed to expose the illiterate and lazy.

Is more accureate

 

[thaiboxerken]

My sources say that the information was obtained by torture. But my sources cannot go public.

My sources say that the information was obtained using a psychic mind-reading device. But my sources cannot go public.

 

[Cleon]

My sources say that the information was obtained by torture. But my sources cannot go public.

Let's review that little tirade you went on:

Oh, please, tell me you did not know that the name of the courier that lead us to Osama bin Laden was obtained by water boarding. Is this what you are saying? You did not know this? How grand the success is that our media keeps these little fun facts from the public.

Yes, the name of the courier that lead us to Osama bin Laden was obtained by water boarding. And it was the methods of fighting the War on Terrorism set up by the Republicans that lead to the discovery of bin Laden's location.

It should be common knowledge that the courier's name was discovered by toture. And yet you are telling me it is not. Are you telling me that the burden of proof is on me and not you? To me, it is you who are stating the absurd and you should have the burden of proof. You are saying that it should be my task to account for your laziness.

So after all that, insisting that it should be "common knowledge," the only sources you have indicating that OBL's courier's name was obtained by torture are "my sources" that "cannot go public?"

For that, you get it again:

Liberalism is just like a religion. We have strong faith that it was not obtained by torture.

And how does Rumsfeld's statement fit into this amusing little analysis?


Newsflash, Bill: Sneering over some imagined trait that Liberals supposedly share is not an adequate substitute for evidence.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

My sources say that the information was obtained by torture. But my sources cannot go public.

I think you're lying just as you did with the thread title. You have no sources, and that's why they cannot go public.

ETA:

Liberalism is just like a religion.

You mean that it's like a religion to demand you provide evidence for your unsubstantiated claim?

 

[Random]

Oh, please, tell me you did not know that the name of the courier that lead us to Osama bin Laden was obtained by water boarding. Is this what you are saying? You did not know this? How grand the success is that our media keeps these little fun facts from the public.

It's tough to say with conservative officials. The Bush administration was great at saying things like "The suspect provided us with no useful information. The suspect was waterboarded. The suspect provided us with useful information." and then you would find out months later that while each individual sentence was true, they were presented in reverse cronological order. They would muddy the waters horribly, issue confusing statements, then let the blogs fight over it. The true believers on both sides would walk away believing themselves correct, while the truth got buried.

Besides, iIf it took five years to go from torturing a suspect to eliminating Bin Laden, just how useful could the information obtained (if any) have been?

 

[A Laughing Baby]

Bill, tell us about your sources. We have ways of making you talk.

 

[Spindrift]

No. My thread title is designed to expose the illiterate and lazy.

Consider yourself exposed.

 

[varwoche]

My sources say that the information was obtained by torture. But my sources cannot go public.

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[BenBurch]

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Does a laughing dog icon have a weight? How many would we need to have a gram of them?

 

[Biscuit]

Osama bin Laden death 'justifies' torture of suspects, former Bush aides claim
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-death-us-bush-torture-debate

Having read the article the evidence for your claim is not supported by it. The over all point indicates that former Bush officials are wrong. Most likely just making stuff up to ease their guilty tortured consciences.

Yet Martin also admitted that the information that Mohammed gave which helped identify Kuwaiti happened under "normal investigation techniques". Further critical information also appears to have came in 2007 with the detention of Abdul Hadi al-Iraqi, a senior militant close to Bin Laden who was captured on his way to Iraq. Iraqi gave his questioners large quantities of information – the Guantánamo files are littered with references to his testimony – but was captured long after the worst abuses in the secret CIA-run prisons had been stopped.

The conservative love of torture is just disgusting.

 

[Tricky]

My sources say that the information was obtained by torture. But my sources cannot go public.

We're really glad for that, because none of us want <SNIP> to go public.

Edited by Locknar: 

Edited, breach of rule 0.

 

[Halfcentaur]

Dogs are starting to learn our language, nobody is trying to stop a volcano from destroying the greatest god given nation on our planet, a nation which is now dead in fact as a nation, and further more, the leader of this dead nation is secretly going to apologize to our enemies! And there are secret sources trying to wake us up to this reality!

And look at how those Muslims have such archaic beards and sinister wrinkled faces! I'm not saying we should judge them by these archaic beards and sinister wrinkled faces, but look at that archaic beard!

 

[BStrong]

No apology needed.

 

[Quad4_72]

Misleading title. I would expect nothing less.

 

[Travis]

Also, what is the bolded bit all about?

The location of Osama bin Laden was determined by following a specific message courier. The name of that specific courier was obtained by the means of torture. A central talking point of Liberals and the Democratic party is that torture does not work and is incontrovertibly immoral. Do the ends justify the means? Just as, in an American court of law, evidence and results obtained by illegal means are thrown out, shouldn't Obama have decided not to kill Osama bin Laden? Doesn't Al Qaeda deserve an apology? Obama is quick to apologize, whither it is justified and warranted or not, so shouldn't we all expect him to apologize for this?

 

[keale]

Good grief Charlie Brown!