Obama takes Iowa

I have so many questions for people who support Obama. Generally the Paul people are transparently crazy and the Nixon/Bush&Cheney/next people are transparently politically viking-like.

But what makes you want to support someone who has "rock star charisma" or have that influence your opinion of his leadership ability in a democracy?

In what specific actual way does he 'represent change' excluding the fact that he presents himself as a nice man who says he will change the tone of politics and be a uniter (Bush did it in 2000).
 
And now to compare pre-polling to actual results:

Democrats:

Actual Results:

Obama: 37.5
Edwards: 29.9
Clinton: 29.4
Richardson: 2.1
Biden: 0.9

RCP late December average:

Obama: 30.8 (-6.7)
Edwards: 26.0 (-3.9)
Clinton: 29.2 (-0.2)
Richardson: 5.2 (+3.1)
Biden: 5.2 (+4.3)

Des Moines Register

Obama: 32 (-5.5)
Edwards: 24 (-5.9)
Clinton: 25 (-4.4)
Richardson: 6 (+3.9)
Biden: 4 (+3.1)

Republicans:

Actual Results:

Huckabee: 34
Romney: 25
Thomspon: 13
McCain: 13
Paul: 10
Giuliani: 4

RCP late December average:

Huckabee: 29.7 (-4.3)
Romney: 26.7 (+1.3)
Thomspon: 11.7 (-1.3)
McCain: 11.8 (-1.2)
Paul: 7.3 (-2.7)
Giuliani: 6.0 (+2.0)

Des Moines Register

Huckabee: 32 (-2.0)
Romney: 26 (+1.0)
Thomspon: 9 (-4.0)
McCain: 13 (-+0)
Paul: 9 (-1.0)
Giuliani: (+1.0)

Democratic voting was obviously skewed by the two tiered system that brought down Biden and Richardson in the second stage in most districts, but once again the Des Moines Register proved to be the only semi-reliable poll.
 
@ NeoRicen ^^

Paul supporters are eating it up on Digg as we type. After enduring the last six months of Paul supporters on social sites of all types I feel justified and at liberty to gloat, although not too much since Obama is still a long ways off from the nomination.
 
NeoRicen said:
You ever been to digg.com?

If you pay any attention to the World and Business section there you'll know what's so funny.
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I saw a lot of articles predicting Ron Paul would do well; He did. You know what's funnier? The mainstream media has been predicting Ron Paul would not register on the polls or receive more than a few thousand in donations.

You know what's even funnier? Giuliani.
 
Richard Masters said:
I saw a lot of articles predicting Ron Paul would do well; He did. You know what's funnier? The mainstream media has been predicting Ron Paul would not register on the polls or receive more than a few thousand in donations.

You know what's even funnier? Giuliani.
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Umm no, Giuliani didn't campaign in Iowa.
 
Richard Masters said:
I saw a lot of articles predicting Ron Paul would do well; He did.
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All he needs now is a big banner saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

You know what's funnier? The mainstream media has been predicting Ron Paul would not register on the polls or receive more than a few thousand in donations.
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Funny, you'd think the mainstream media would read their own opinion polls and the stories they keep publishing about fundraising.
 
latent aaaack said:
I have so many questions for people who support Obama. Generally the Paul people are transparently crazy and the Nixon/Bush&Cheney/next people are transparently politically viking-like.

But what makes you want to support someone who has "rock star charisma" or have that influence your opinion of his leadership ability in a democracy?

In what specific actual way does he 'represent change' excluding the fact that he presents himself as a nice man who says he will change the tone of politics and be a uniter (Bush did it in 2000).
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I'm with you.

Change is a meaningless buzz word onto which people are invited to project their fantasies. The problem as well as beauty of an Obama is he's a fairly blank slate, so it's easy to do. Moreover, adversarial politics is built into the system so that change, such as it is, is arrived at with deliberate slowness, never mind that if we were to suddenly elect a president who can "change" things, a lot of people are going to be unhappy, considering most everyone's idea of what direction the country should head is different from everyone else's.

People forget that the messiah they believe they're voting for has feet of clay. You'd think being smacked in the face with this truth every four years would get through to people. But no.
 
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Dr Adequate said:
All he needs now is a big banner saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
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Actually, the majority of Republicans angry at the Bush administration in Iowa voted for Ron Paul. They don't tend to like Bush.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#val=IAREP

Funny, you'd think the mainstream media would read their own opinion polls and the stories they keep publishing about fundraising.
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Very recently they have. But that doesn't contradict what I said.

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I, for one, am happy Ron Paul didn't get the evangelical vote. And regardless of the results, my stance on particular issues is not going to change. There is no shame in supporting someone who may not win.
 
latent aaaack said:
I have so many questions for people who support Obama. Generally the Paul people are transparently crazy and the Nixon/Bush&Cheney/next people are transparently politically viking-like.

But what makes you want to support someone who has "rock star charisma" or have that influence your opinion of his leadership ability in a democracy?

In what specific actual way does he 'represent change' excluding the fact that he presents himself as a nice man who says he will change the tone of politics and be a uniter (Bush did it in 2000).
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What, he's popular? Why, I simply cannot support him now :rolleyes: .

Both he and Edwards have done better than others *coughhillarycough* at getting... less corrupt sources of funding.

And LOL at the Bush comparison, I think nearly everyone claims to be a "uniter" and what not. And the oppostion party (in the elections I've seen) always campaigns for "change".

I like Obama because he has been more consistent than others. I like him because I liked how he debated Keyes when he was running my my state. I like him because he is intelligent and didn't rely upon inhereted wealth to get this far.

If I voted based on who agreed on my issues all the way, I'd practically be left with Kucinich :rolleyes: . And I can't vote for him because of the Truther element.

But Obama supports the more moderate forms of action in healthcare, education, and gay marriage that I prefer.

I think I have previously detailed why I won't vote for Paul. Most of the other frontrunners are off the list becuase the are too inconsitent for me to know what their real positions are (Like Giuliani on gay rights).
 
latent aaaack said:
I have so many questions for people who support Obama. Generally the Paul people are transparently crazy and the Nixon/Bush&Cheney/next people are transparently politically viking-like.

But what makes you want to support someone who has "rock star charisma" or have that influence your opinion of his leadership ability in a democracy?

In what specific actual way does he 'represent change' excluding the fact that he presents himself as a nice man who says he will change the tone of politics and be a uniter (Bush did it in 2000).
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For me, a lot of how I view a candidate hinges on who they pick to work on their campaign. It does shed light on how they would pick advisors to run a country, and how well they listen to those advisors (I am not sure Huckabee even realizes what those extra people are there for). Although most of the spotlight falls on the president, most of the day-to-day decisions and all of the major decisions are based on the advice they receive. Although there may be a few issues with Obama's campaign manager, in general I like the way his team has worked, and how he has worked with his team.
 
I don't see how...

I dont see this as a Ron Paul defeat... quite the contrary... I didnt expect to see him do this well...

He wasnt very far behind Thompson/McCain and previously had been polling Far below the frontrunners...

He IS gaining ground, I wish some of the naysayers could accept/acknowledge that Fact.


Added Bonus Barack Obama !! woot!! , Boo to Hillary! (a Hillary nom. is a Rep. win in 08')
 
As long as you aren't one of those "experience is now a bad thing because of the existence of some experienced politicians that are unpopular for now' people then you can't answer my questions thankfully.

For people who those questions don't apply to and are skeptics I really want to know why you'd choose someone who shows signs of being the most politically zealously religious democrat ever, a possible meglamaniac that likes to compare himself to Lincoln (over the top even for a politician or rock star) probably due to his tragically messed up childhood over the more moderate and normal democratic candidates who's positions are similar.

Like why wouldn't you vote for Dodd or Richardson?

Is being a hypothetically compelling fictional character part of why you like certain candidates better?
 
ZenFountain said:
Iowa is small in the big picture but I shall savor the double victory of Obama winning and Paul losing big in Iowa regardless. Next stop New Hampshire!
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Considered that:
1) RP, as Giuliani, did not put much effort in Iowa;
2) Iowa is not really a state filled with young people;
3) RP was at 4-6% in Rep national polls few days ago
I can not see why a 10% is "losing big"
 
Pvt. Stash said:
I dont see this as a Ron Paul defeat... quite the contrary... I didnt expect to see him do this well...

He wasnt very far behind Thompson/McCain and previously had been polling Far below the frontrunners...

He IS gaining ground, I wish some of the naysayers could accept/acknowledge that Fact.


Added Bonus Barack Obama !! woot!! , Boo to Hillary! (a Hillary nom. is a Rep. win in 08')
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I agree. He is better off today than he was yesterday. Before, his standing was merely a matter of speculation. Now it's a psychological anchor. Today Wolf Blitzer sounded really excited that Ron Paul got 10% in Iowa and expects Ron Paul to do well in NH.

"Let's not neglect Ron Paul!" - Wolf Blitzer.
 
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