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Obama refers to self as a "mutt," does this change anything?

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Further in America, being a mutt is a point of pride.

I've referred to my kid as a mutt. He has grandparents came from three different countries, and great grandparents from four. (US, Ireland, and Canada for grandparents. Add Poland for a great grandparent. The Canadians had German ancestors two generations earlier.)
 
If he was joking he didn't smile. He was dead serious. Neither was there any laughter from the audience as was the case with the Nancy Reagan remark when both he and the audience acknowledged it as a joke. In fact, there was a dead silence in the audience
and many of those in attendance were looking down at their papers as if ashamed.
Do you have another link other than the one in the OP? If so, I must have missed it. All I can see is Obama and 2 people behind him (one man, one woman) who chuckle and look off to the sides.

Actually, the statement itself isn't as weird as the necessity Americans seem to have of taking it as a joke in order to preserve the traditional one-drop status quo.
You seem to be obsessed with this one-drop thing. No one seems to think it has any relevance but you. The one drop rule was used to classify people as black who otherwise would pass for white back in a time when races were mostly separate and not very equal. In my mind someone in Obama's circumstance, asked to list his race on a form, could list black, white, or other and I wouldn't care. It's up to him. If he had been born and raised in the Philippines as others have claimed and identified culturally with the Philippino community, he could list himself as "pacific islander" for all I care. The one drop rule is irrelevant.

Obama had a mother as well. One whose death I am certain sorrowed him deeply and who just happened to be white. Maybe-just maybe it was a remark made in her honor. Possible? Or is that too far-fetched?
I think he was trying in a self-depreciating way to again emphasize his mixed ancestry, which he would appear to view with pride rather than shame.
 
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I'm always amazed at the general ignorance of USA folk, especially in regards to their own high culture. Being a connoisseur of USA culture it was immediately obvious to me why the President elect used that particular word when talking about acquiring a dog.

I think your USA humor detector was a misfire on this one... I really doubt he was referencing an old Hanna-Barbera cartoon.
 
I am a little angry that I can't find a clip of the Bill Murray speech From "Stripes". Just too freaking approptieate."

"Hey we are a nation of Mutts! A Nation of Mongrels! Let's face it ,our ancestors got kicked out of every Decent country on Earth!"

One of my favorite Murray moments.
 
I am a little angry that I can't find a clip of the Bill Murray speech From "Stripes". Just too freaking approptieate."

"Hey we are a nation of Mutts! A Nation of Mongrels! Let's face it ,our ancestors got kicked out of every Decent country on Earth!"

One of my favorite Murray moments.

http://video.google.com/videosearch...ill murray stripes&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

2:35 is the relevant part about mutts-Is it just you and I, dudalb? The first thing that came to mind when I watched his press conference was this clip. Obama is our age and it wouldn't surprise me if this is what was on his mind while using the word "mutt." And to those of you taking this Mutt thing so seriously- "Lighten up Francis."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrllCZw8jiM&feature=related
 
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Interestingly enough, a friend of mine whose children are mixed was terribly upset at his comment. Her opinion was "my children are not mutts!" and that the term denigrated them and other mixed-race family members.

Then again, she's quite upset at his being elected and thinks the country is going to go down the toilet (like it hasn't already?) and he's a socialist and....

Love her to death, but it's like she's jumped off into the deep end without water wings this election.
 
Mutt is Jeff's shorter friend with sideburns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutt_&_Jeff

I will guess that Obama has tall friends. :p

@ Darat: your reach at a stereotype (and your assertion of how common the usage of mutt is or isn't in American slang and usage) was a curious piece of bigotry. Small wonder the colonists were eager to cut the chord.
 
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"Mutt" is also informal American English for a person of mixed nationalities. According to one dictionary, it is also UK for a stupid person or "berk". That I had to look up, since that was what John Cleese called Palin (Sarah).
And, as Cleese pointed out helpfully to Olbermann, it was short form rhyming slang for Berkley Hunt. Which.....
I could have sworn he was talking about McCain when he said it though.







Fortunately I have it on DVD.
 
He's a mutt and he's black. The two are in no way mutually exclusive. He is of mixed ancestry, therefore he is a mutt, but some of that ancestry is African and he has comparatively dark skin and he identifies as black, therefore he is black. And in so far as this is a joke, it is not a joke in the "lol I'm not really a mutt guys, I'm totally black like the life-giving soil" sense; it's a joke because it's a play on words, since mutt in the sense of dogs and mutt in the sense of humans are somewhat different concepts, and therefore this is a humorous thing to say. If people were uncomfortable (and they did seem to awkwardly look at their shoes as you note) it seems quite likely that it was because people are uncomfortable about race in general getting mentioned out of nowhere, not because they are uncomfortable about that particular racial designation.

Sorry but you are misunderstanding what I said.
I am not saying they SEEMED uncomfortable about the designation per se. There are many reasons why a person can be uncomfortable after hearing that designation. Let me enumerate them.

1. It seems unseemly for a president elect to denigrate himself that way.

2. It might have been a term frequently used in a derogatory manner by some present.

3. There might be people their of mixed ancestry who don't appreciate that term.

4. The white folks there want to see him as totally black and their status quo sensibilities were jarred.

5. There might have been black people there who want to see him as totally black whose sensibilities might have been really jarred.

6. People there could feel a sense of having arbitrarily imposed a label.

7. Some there might be guilty of using the one drop rule to persecute minorities and were reminded of it by that word.

8. Some present might have been objects of the persecution based on the one-drop rule.

All these together might have occurred simultaneously. No?

As for the term Mutt, when used by humans toward human means multi or biracial heritage. Look it up in the dictionary and see for yourself. Then again your dictionary might differ from the usual one. Which is understandable.

BTW

The African American community didn't accept Obama as wholeheartedly theirs initially. Previous to his being perceived as having a good chance to be president, the black community was debating whether Obama was black enough or not given his mixed race ancestry. They were also debating whether he was American enough given his African father and his growing up in the boondocks of the American states.

It was only AFTER they got a whiff that he really stood a chance that they decided to change their song and tried to appropriate him to themselves. They also did the same act politically many leaving the Clinton side only when absolutely sure Obama stood a chance after making sure there were enough whites supporting him. So much for racial unity and loyalty!
 
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Sorry but you are misunderstanding what I said.
I am not saying they SEEMED uncomfortable about the designation per se. There are many reasons why a person can be uncomfortable after hearing that designation. Let me enumerate them.

1. It seems unseemly for a president elect to denigrate himself that way.

2. It might have been a term frequently used in a derogatory manner by some present.

3. There might be people their of mixed ancestry who don't appreciate that term.

4. The white folks there want to see him as totally black and their status quo sensibilities were jarred.

5. There might have been black people there who want to see him as totally black whose sensibilities might have been really jarred.

6. People there could feel a sense of having arbitrarily imposed a label.

7. Some there might be guilty of using the one drop rule to persecute minorities and were reminded of of it by that word.

8. Some present might have been objects of the persecution based on the one-drop rule.

All these together might have occurred simultaneously. No?

As for ther tyerm Mutt, when used by humans toward human means multi or biracial heritage. Look it up in the dictionary and see for yourself. Then again your dictionary might differ from the usual one. Which is understandable.

BTW

The African American community didn't accept Obama as wholeheartedly theirs initially. Previous to his being perceived as having a good chance to be president, the black community was debating whether Obama was black enough or not given his mixed race ancestry. They were also debating whether he was American enough given his African father and his growing up in the boondocks of the American states.

It was only AFTER they got a whiff that he really stood a chance that they decided to change their song and tried to appropriate him to themselves. They also did the same act politically many leaving the clinton side only when absolutely sure he stood a chance after making sure there were enough whites supporting him. So much for racial unity and loyalty!

numbered items: methinks he doth thinks too mutt.

last 2 paragraphs: this is simply bizarre. Somehow, Radrook has constructed this compelling narrative about what the black community was doing and thinking.

My wife was very involved with black Obama supporters and she's observed no such thing.

My main point: I still don't understand the thrust or purpose of what Radrook is saying here. All song and furry, signifying...something, but I'm not sure what.

Can someone clue me in?

Radrook, sir?
 
Sorry but you are misunderstanding what I said.
I am not saying they SEEMED uncomfortable about the designation per se. There are many reasons why a person can be uncomfortable after hearing that designation. Let me enumerate them.
How about you don't. First, show me the people who seemed uncomfortable. I only see two people on the screen in the video. show me the rest of the people who seemed uncomfortable. Then you can speculate about their reasons.
As for the term Mutt, when used by humans toward human means multi or biracial heritage. Look it up in the dictionary and see for yourself. Then again your dictionary might differ from the usual one. Which is understandable.
That certainly seemed to be the way that Obama was using it. Has anyone disputed this?

The African American community didn't accept Obama as wholeheartedly theirs initially. Previous to his being perceived as having a good chance to be president, the black community was debating whether Obama was black enough or not given his mixed race ancestry. They were also debating whether he was American enough given his African father and his growing up in the boondocks of the American states.
I think they may also have been debating whether given his Ivy league education he was really "one of them". This probably had much more to do with their early reticence than his Kenyan or mixed-race ancestry. That, combined with his lack of experience and lack of name recognition early on. They, like many others, were doubtful he was a viable candidate, and there were other candidates such as Hillary who is married to a guy who had broad popularity with the black community. [/QUOTE]
So much for racial unity and loyalty!
Are you suggesting that people should vote for a candidate simply because they share the same skin color, out of a sense of unity and loyalty? Regardless of their political philosophy or viability as a candidate? Sharpton, Obama, Keyes--all the same?

What odd ideas you have. :boggled:
 
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