Obama on Gun Control

[becomingagodo]

he didn't know Al-Qaeda was in Iraq

Actually he does. He was making the point that Al Qaeda was not in iraq intill Bush decided to invade Iraq, which is the truth.

There's plenty there for Hillary to go after, but she has proven to be a very poor campaigner.

Not really, it just her attack campaigning is not working.

He's a sitting duck for the republicans to aim at.

McCain is a sitting duck too.

 

[BPSCG]

Boy, it's a good thing I never said or hinted any of that, isn't it?

And all this time I thought you numbered yourself among those who fervently believe Bush is a threat to our Constitution.

It gratifies me no end to learn that I was wrong.

 

[Cleon]

And all this time I thought you numbered yourself among those who fervently believe Bush is a threat to our Constitution.

It gratifies me no end to learn that I was wrong.

I admire your ability to take the "False dilemma" and "Non Sequitir" fallacies and weave them together into an impressive tapestry that bears little resemblance to anything I've said.

 

[BPSCG]

I admire your ability to take the "False dilemma" and "Non Sequitir" fallacies and weave them together into an impressive tapestry that bears little resemblance to anything I've said.

Me confused. Do you think Bush is a threat to the Constitution, or do you not think so?

 

[Upchurch]

Me confused. Do you think Bush is a threat to the Constitution, or do you not think so?

Me confused, too. How is that relevant to Obama and gun control?

 

[Crossbow]

Gun Control.

One of the all time favorite wedge issues that Republicans like to use.

 

[Brainster]

Gun Control.

One of the all time favorite wedge issues that Republicans like to use.

Wedge issues= Issues where a significant portion of the public disagrees with Democrats.

 

[quixotecoyote]

Wedge issues= Issues where a significant portion of the public disagrees with Democrats.

Or alternatively:

Wedge issues= matters where the public attention/public importance ratio in relation to other issues is entirely out of whack. see also: gay marriage

 

[BPSCG]

Me confused, too. How is that relevant to Obama and gun control?

Good morning, Mr. Phelps.

This is a map of the St. Louis metropolitan area. That red spot at the bottom is a circle ten miles in diameter. A gun shop at the center of the spot would be five miles from the perimeter. Click on the map for better detail.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to put that red spot somewhere on the map where it touches neither a school nor a park.

This tape will self-destruct in thirty seconds. Good luck!

(...cue Lalo Schifrin music...)

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

First, remember that this was while he was running for IL senate. Politics is local and in Chicago people like their gun control (At least, that's how they vote).

I notice that you used a metropolitan area, which IMO is the point of the law, to restrict access to guns in the city.

Now, I am looking at the Dem. race right now, and I noticed that one of the few voting differences between Obama and Clinton was their vote on this: Firearm Confiscation Prohibition Amendment:

S Amdt 4615 to HR 5441: To prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law.

Linky.

Obama voted yes, Hillary no.

 

[Upchurch]

Good morning, Mr. Phelps....

Ah, this would be the "non sequitur" Cleon mentioned earlier.


eta: as to your little challenge itself, there are plenty of places to the north and northwest that will satisfy the park requirement. I have no idea where the schools are to figure that requirement out.

 

[BPSCG]

eta: as to your little challenge itself, there are plenty of places to the north and northwest that will satisfy the park requirement. I have no idea where the schools are to figure that requirement out.

So in your reply at #12 above, you were really saying more than you knew.

 

[BPSCG]

First, remember that this was while he was running for IL senate. Politics is local and in Chicago people like their gun control (At least, that's how they vote).

I notice that you used a metropolitan area, which IMO is the point of the law, to restrict access to guns in the city.

Now, I am looking at the Dem. race right now, and I noticed that one of the few voting differences between Obama and Clinton was their vote on this: Firearm Confiscation Prohibition Amendment:



Linky.

Obama voted yes, Hillary no.

Actually, he was already a state senator at the time. He was running for congress (didn't get the nomination).

But you raise an interesting point. Do his principles depend on whether he's running for congress or running for president?

 

[Upchurch]

So in your reply at #12 above, you were really saying more than you knew.

Possibly. Do you want to give my question in #25 a try?

 

[ServiceSoon]

First, remember that this was while he was running for IL senate. Politics is local and in Chicago people like their gun control (At least, that's how they vote).

I notice that you used a metropolitan area, which IMO is the point of the law, to restrict access to guns in the city.

Now, I am looking at the Dem. race right now, and I noticed that one of the few voting differences between Obama and Clinton was their vote on this: Firearm Confiscation Prohibition Amendment:

Linky.

Obama voted yes, Hillary no.

Are you seriously trying to paint Obama as the pro-gun candidate? What other rights do you think the people should lose when they enter a metropolitan area?

Or alternatively:

Wedge issues= matters where the public attention/public importance ratio in relation to other issues is entirely out of whack. see also: gay marriage

Thank you for your opinion.

Ah, this would be the "non sequitur" Cleon mentioned earlier.

eta: as to your little challenge itself, there are plenty of places to the north and northwest that will satisfy the park requirement. I have no idea where the schools are to figure that requirement out.

I thought it was a fair question. What is up with the mystery typing that only appears when I quoted you?

 

[BPSCG]

Possibly. Do you want to give my question in #25 a try?

I'll give it a stab. First your #25:

Me confused. Do you think Bush is a threat to the Constitution, or do you not think so?

Me confused, too. How is that relevant to Obama and gun control?

We got into Bush when Cleon dragged the Republicans in by basically answering the OP by saying, "Well, the Repubs are no better."

From there it naturally devolved/derailed into a comparison of Obama and Bush. How did Bush and the Repubs get dragged into this? By Cleon's derailing non-answer.

The sequence is pretty easy to follow, really.

ETA: So, getting back to the topic at hand, then, do you agree that a nationwide ban on gun sales within five miles of any school or park would have the effect of making gun sales illegal in every metropolitan area, suburban area, and small town in the country? If so, do you also agree that this would be an attempt to circumvent the second amendment?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Actually, he was already a state senator at the time. He was running for congress (didn't get the nomination).

Oh, it was that election. Sorry for the mistake.

But you raise an interesting point. Do his principles depend on whether he's running for congress or running for president?

Um, I don't know ?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Are you seriously trying to paint Obama as the pro-gun candidate? What other rights do you think the people should lose when they enter a metropolitan area?

Well, relative to Clinton, sure.

People haven't lost any rights, unless you consider not having to drive a few miles to buy a gun a right.

 

[BPSCG]

People haven't lost any rights, unless you consider not having to drive a few miles to buy a gun a right.

How far would you have to drive from Neverland (wherever that is) to buy a gun, if the nearest gun shop was not permitted to be within five miles of any school or park?

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

How far would you have to drive from Neverland (wherever that is) to buy a gun, if the nearest gun shop was not permitted to be within five miles of any school or park?

6.something miles (I live right next to two schools ).