Obama: Enemy of Humanity

GreyICE said:
Yay or nay? Our GOP has brought us this latest tidbit, and we should discuss it as if they're not raving lunatics.

Remember when it was treason to criticize the president? I suppose calling him an enemy of humanity might not be criticism...

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This reminds me of the creationist argument that, "if you don't believe in God you have nothing to dictate your moral compass".
 
According to Article III of the U.S. Constitution, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

Thats the formulation (in bold) that I have seen most often. If someone is said to be giving "aid and comfort" to an enemy, they are essentially being branded as traitors.
 
Ziggurat said:
The first link? It's an attack on a particular person's criticism, and you can argue that it was unjustified, but it's no accusation of treason.
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From the first link:
"divisive comments have the effect of giving aid and comfort to our enemies by allowing them to exploit divisions in our country."
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From the US Constitution, Article III, Section 3:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
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There is, rather explicitly, an accusation of acts that are defined, by the US Constitution, as treason against the United States.
 
Ziggurat said:
Except in this case, the unjustified accusation of treason is the criticism of government, rather than a label applied to critics of the government.
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Still goes to show how entrenched the "stuff I disagree with = treason" meme is in some sectors of the right.
 
Rip Van Ziggurat, are you really going down the good ol' 'the right and the left are morally equivalent' route? Wasn't moral relativism one of the charges the right wing loves to toss at 'dirty liberals?' And to top it off, you're pitting obscure blogs that no one has ever read against New York Times best sellers? Wait, I get it, the NY Times is a liberal publication, so they falsified her sales numbers to make the right wing look stoopid.

Regardless, you've conceded the point. My fantasy is called 'the last 8 years' and you slept through them.

Thank you Upchurch for that lovely documentation, and Praktik for the cover of the book that I can't believe Rip Van slept past. (though I could believe that he slept through it).
 
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oldhat said:
You're citing an anonymous blog as an example of the left and everyone else is citing Republican leadership like Michelle Bachman, John Ashcroft and Trent Lott?
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Don't forget excitable Andy!

That post was in response to one about Anne Coulter. And yes, I'd say she deserves a place next to anonymous blogs.
 
GreyICE said:
Rip Van Ziggurat, are you really going down the good ol' 'the right and the left are morally equivalent' route?
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Nope. I'm saying that unjustified accusations of treason cross the political divide, nothing more. Do you actually contest that statement?

Regardless, you've conceded the point. My fantasy is called 'the last 8 years' and you slept through them.
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So because Ann Coulter said it, that makes it so. Yeah, I'd call that a fantasy. You said, "Remember when it was treason to criticize the president?". You didn't say, "Remember when people accused other people of treason for criticizing the president?". That suggests at least some sort of consensus on the topic, not a few nutjobs (do you object to me calling Coulter a nutjob?) throwing the term around.

Notice how it's racist to criticize the president? Oh, but it isn't. Except by your standards. Which are a fantasy.
 
Ziggurat said:
The quote in the second link rather explicitly accepts criticism of the administration ("We need honest, reasoned debate"), and only attacks what he calls "fear mongering" (just like Obama only wanted people to send lies about health care reform to his tip line, not just opposition to health care reform). And what's his first example of fear mongering? "those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against noncitizens".
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And what was his last example? "to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty"

In other words, criticism of the PATRIOT Act and the President's other, more draconian, methods.

The funny thing about "fear mongering" then vs. now is that then the "fear mongering" was about actual potential problems, some of which became actual abuses, and now the "fear mongering" is about fantasies with no basis in reality whatsoever.
 
Michael Reagan:
Michael Reagan, son of the late President Ronald Reagan, is blasting Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean for declaring that the U.S. won't be able to win the war in Iraq, saying Dean ought to be "hung for treason."

"Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason or put in a hole until the end of the Iraq war!" Reagan told his Radio America audience on Monday.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/5/234519.shtml
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Sean Hannity:
Hannity only wanted to do his utmost to attack and deflect criticism from Bush. "Your party every step of the way, Bob Beckel,... You have undermined a president, while we are in a war... what part of that don't you and your liberal friends understand?"

Hannity followed that up with the most disgusting display of bullying disguised as sanctimonious outrage I have ever seen from him. Head slanted at an acute angle, eyes squinted with aggression, Hannity tried to bulldoze Beckel into demanding "on national TV" that Howard Dean resign and John Kerry apologize. "Do you have the moral courage to do it?"

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/12/07..._to_stand_up_to_the_fox_news_hate_machine.php
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Hugh Hewitt (talk radio host) & Norman Podhoretz (Giuliani advisor):
HH: Norman Podhoretz, before the last break, we were talking about the intellectual class in America that is so deeply anti-American from the Vietnam years, and how it did not take them long to find in America the cause for 9/11, and to begin what has been a very poisonous attack on America over the last six years. How can they be that successful?

NP: Well, what I try to explain in my book is that a lot of these people were working out of the anti-war movement playbook of the Vietnam era. . . .

Well, what I think is that that is correct, and I think that the Democrats are committing political suicide, at least for the 2008 presidential election. I mean, you know, the Democrats suffered from the disability of the McGovern years, when they were rightly considered soft on national defense, not to be trusted to protect us against foreign threats. They worked very heard to overcome that reputation, especially under Clinton. And now what they've done is to resurrect it. And they've gone even further than they did under McGovern. I mean, embracing defeat, calling for American defeat, rooting for American defeat.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/09/12/klein/
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Lieberman & Petraeus:
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) asked Army Lt. Gen. David H . Petraeus during his confirmation hearing yesterday if Senate resolutions condemning White House Iraq policy "would give the enemy some comfort."

Petraeus agreed they would, saying, "That's correct, sir."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/23/AR2007012301306.html
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Michelle Malkin:
But remembrance without resistance to jihad and its enablers is a recipe for another 9/11. This is what fueled my first two books, on immigration enforcement and profiling. This is what fuels much of the work on this blog and at Hot Air.

Not every American wears a military uniform. But every American has a role to play in protecting our homeland -- not just from Muslim terrorists, but from their financiers, their public relations machine, their sharia-pimping activists, the anti-war goons, the civil liberties absolutists, and the academic apologists for our enemies.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/11/911-remembrance-and-resistance/
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Joseph Farah (World Net Daily):
That's why I say it is time to stop playing rhetorical games with respect to Kerry.

There is only one word in the English language that adequately describes what he was in 1971 -- and what he remains today for capitalizing on the evil he perpetrated back then. That word is "traitor."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41169
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J. Peter Mulhern (American Thinker blog):
Is Jack Murtha a Coward and a Traitor?

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Reasonable people cannot differ about whether or not the United States should press forward with our war against the terror masters. For the time being Iraq is inevitably the principal front in that war. A congressman who tries to duck his share of the responsibility for prosecuting that war is displaying moral cowardice. Any American who recommends retreat is injuring his own country and calling his own patriotism into question.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/is_jack_murtha_a_coward_and_a.html
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John Hinderaker (Power Line blog):
And most recently, of course, he invited the execrable Michael Moore to sit with him in the former President's box at the Democratic National Convention. Moore is best known for calling Iraq's terrorists, who take sadistic delight in capturing innocent people and decapitating them on camera, that country's "Minutemen," and gleefully predicting that they would defeat the armed forces of the United States. Carter's public embrace of Moore can only be seen as an endorsement of his views. That puts Carter squarely "on the other side."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2005/02/009485.php
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Ben Shapiro:
Essentially, I contend that Congress ought to revivify sedition prosecutions. U.S. Code 18 Sec. 2388 currently governs sedition. It reads, in relevant part, "Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies .... Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both." The only question for Al Gore is whether he has the requisite intent under this statute. It would be tough to argue that he does not, in current context.

http://www.humanevents.com/blog-detail.php?id=12473
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Bush & Cheney:
Appearing in the Rose Garden yesterday with Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, Bush said Kerry's statements about Iraq "can embolden an enemy." After Kerry criticized Allawi's speech to Congress, Vice President Cheney tore into the Democratic nominee, calling him "destructive" to the effort in Iraq and the struggle against terrorism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45672-2004Sep23?language=printer
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Orrin Hatch:
Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said terrorists "are going to throw everything they can between now and the election to try and elect Kerry."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45672-2004Sep23?language=printer
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John Thune:
John Thune of South Dakota said of his opponent, Senate Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle: "His words embolden the enemy." Thune, on NBC's "Meet the Press," declined to disavow a statement by the Republican Party chairman in his state saying Daschle had brought "comfort to America's enemies."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45672-2004Sep23?language=printer
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Richard Armitage:
The previous day in Warsaw, Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage said terrorists in Iraq "are trying to influence the election against President Bush."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A45672-2004Sep23?language=printer
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And so on, and so on...
 
I remember when it was based in a neighborhood in the same zip code as reality. Is that a similar thing?
 
quixotecoyote said:
I remember when it was based in a neighborhood in the same zip code as reality. Is that a similar thing?
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If you agree with the leadership of the democratic party that people who are alarmed by a 2 trillion dollar deficit and plans to add hundreds of billions more are "unamerican" or are "evil mongers" or racists then you are in no position to be judging other peoples connection to reality.
 
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