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Obama - basically Hitler.

GreyICE said:
AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Someone tell me this is a language barrier.

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No, it is not. Obama is liberal - Hitler was conservative. Are you too stupid or too uneducated to figure this out for yourself?

What's your friggin* [*Godwin] point here anyway? The thread title itself is a joke, don't you think? - And if not, why? (Don't be shy to add factual points to a debate within a Skeptics Forum)
 
Oliver said:
No, it is not. Obama is liberal - Hitler was conservative. Are you too stupid or too uneducated to figure this out for yourself?

What's your friggin* [*Godwin] point here anyway? The thread title itself is a joke, don't you think? - And if not, why? (Don't be shy to add factual points to a debate within a Skeptics Forum)
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Oh great, now you're insulting me.

As for the thread title, no, it's obviously not a joke. There's no way the OP meant it that way. *facepalm*
 
GreyICE said:
Oh great, now you're insulting me.

As for the thread title, no, it's obviously not a joke. There's no way the OP meant it that way. *facepalm*
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I'm not insulting you, I'm just tweaking your nose. And I apologize for failing to realize that you Rascal started the thread yourself. I'm still pissed by the likes who claim that Hitler wasn't a conservative and I assumed you're one of those clowns... :boxedin:
 
INRM said:
He has a lot of conservatives in his back-pocket,...
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I'm interested in this. Name, say, 3 Republicans he has in his back-pocket. Name 3 conservative TV or radio pundits he has in his back-pocket. Name 3 others. After all, naming just 3 shouldn't be hard if he has "a lot".

INRM said:
He will be probably as bad, if not at least as bad as John McCain, but will have the added luxury of his position and attitude being totally unexpected, and being of the same political party as the party that holds a majority in Congress making him effectively impeachment proof.INRM
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If the House can't get hearings into the crimes of Bush much less get an Impeachment bill onto the floor, then Hitler (since this thread has been Godwinized from the title onward) couldn't get impeached.
 
Tricky said:
So by my score, Hitler would have fit in more with US conservatives than US liberals by a score of 6 to 3. Not what you'd call a "strong conservative" but definitely right of the middle.
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You forgot animal rights. Hitler was stong on Animal rights. I'd give him a 6 to 4.

I think your list conforms to a stereotypical conservative. I would guess that someone who is a conservative could come up with a bit of a different list that could and would put Hitler leaning to the left.

But not bad.
 
Oliver said:
What Tricky said ... :p
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Not really compelling but if you want to call him a conservative as an ad hominem for conservatives then that's fine. So long as we get to label the greatest mass murderers in history Liberals, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc..

And before you go compiling a list bear in mind that all of these commited the greatest sin of conservative ideology and could never be put in that camp.
 
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RandFan said:
You forgot animal rights. Hitler was strong on Animal rights. I'd give him a 6 to 4.

I think your list conforms to a stereotypical conservative. I would guess that someone who is a conservative could come up with a bit of a different list that could and would put Hitler leaning to the left.

But not bad.
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Of course. I had to go with stereotypes. Since it is difficult or even impossible to come up with universally applicable definitions of "liberal" and "conservative", I had to go with the cartoon characterizations.

And as I noted, my descriptions really don't apply to Germany in the mid-twentieth century. They apply to the USA in the early twenty-first century. It is not a good comparison, just a way of pointing out how perspective colors everything.

I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. ... And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

---Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate (18 September 1858)​
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Lincoln stated openly would have happily left slavery intact if it would preserve the nation. Does that make him a conservative? Today, yes. Then, no.
 
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I would agree Hitler was part conservative. However he also was a revolutionary and a socialist. National Socialism was unique. It attempted to unite all Germans into a political family. All NS policies were directed toward the betterment of the German people.
 
MaGZ said:
I have decided to vote for Ralph Nader.
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Wow. Congratulations. Eight years, a ton of moaning, insults, attacks, and venom, and in all that time no one has ever made me feel sorry for Ralph Nader.

Until now.
 
I think trying to define Hitler as liberal or conservative is idiotic. It makes much more sense to look at his individual proclivities.

Hitler was authoritarian
Hitler was racist and homophobic
Hitler was nationalistic to the level of chauvinism
Hitler was imperialistic
Hitler was brutal and ruthlessly pragmatic
Hitler was an unreliable ally who turned on Russia
Hitler could not be trusted to live up to international agreements
Hitler was an inspirational speaker
Hitler was a leader

Hitler was an inspirational speaker who led based on chauvanism, racism, imperialism, and hate.

Obama is an inspirational speaker. Do any of the other qualities apply?
 
gdnp said:
I think trying to define Hitler as liberal or conservative is idiotic. It makes much more sense to look at his individual proclivities.

Hitler was authoritarian
Hitler was racist and homophobic
Hitler was nationalistic to the level of chauvinism
Hitler was imperialistic
Hitler was brutal and ruthlessly pragmatic
Hitler was an unreliable ally who turned on Russia
Hitler could not be trusted to live up to international agreements
Hitler was an inspirational speaker
Hitler was a leader

Hitler was an inspirational speaker who led based on chauvanism, racism, imperialism, and hate.

Obama is an inspirational speaker. Do any of the other qualities apply?
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Maybe racist? I know I wouldn't like to spend time in that church. ;)
 
Tricky said:
Of course. I had to go with stereotypes. Since it is difficult or even impossible to come up with universally applicable definitions of "liberal" and "conservative", I had to go with the cartoon characterizations.

And as I noted, my descriptions really don't apply to Germany in the mid-twentieth century. They apply to the USA in the early twenty-first century. It is not a good comparison, just a way of pointing out how perspective colors everything.
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Agreed.
 
What is it with Ben Stein anyway? First evolution was TEH HITLER!!! and now it's Obama.

What's next up to be tarred with the Nazi brush? Sandwiches with too much mayo? The Designated Hitter Rule? Someone actually committing genocide ... no, wait, that would be silly.
 
INRM said:
My opinion is if this guy got in, he would reveal his true colors as a right-wing war-hawk (he does have a lot of ties to the Israeli lobby and has promised them support -- this information should be factored in when combined with the other data about him) elitist (and would continue to wage war in the middle-east, except he would rather than keep the guys in Iraq, would simply fling them at Iran and who knows what else, and if the war drags on and troop numbers dwindle -- draft time) but it would be too late to do anything about it -- And his own party which holds a majority is NOT going to impeach him (they don't even have the guts to impeach a guy of the opposite party who's done everything in his power to gut the constitution).
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And I'm afraid if McCain gets in he's going to turn the country into a socialist workers' paradise like Sweden, only with fewer blondes. And if Nader gets elected, he's going to make GM produce nothing but Corvairs.

Fortunately there is one true Republican in the race: Cynthia McKinney!

</sarcasm>
 
MaGZ said:
I would agree Hitler was part conservative. However he also was a revolutionary and a socialist. National Socialism was unique. It attempted to unite all Germans into a political family. All NS policies were directed toward the betterment of the German people.
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ANd the extermination or enslavment of anybody who did not fit their defination of German.
You are aware of the wonderful plans that Hitler had for the Slavic peoples in Eastern Europe, are'nt you?
 
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