Obama a Marxist? Seriously?

Texas said:
He was more than likely a "coffee house" Marxist in college. But that is probably the extent of it. His mother was very far left but she appears to have had little influence on him. The Black Liberation Theology taught in his church is very wedded to Marxist philosophy but I am coming to the conclusion that Obama is probably more an opportunist than ideologue.
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Regarding Obama and Marxism ...

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=294880428846293

Obama's Marxist Axis Of Friends

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, May 05, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: Barack Obama wishes questions about his associations with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and other radicals would end. But maybe the reason they won't is that there's a pattern: Marxism. It's not hiding.

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Some pundits dismiss Obama's ties with radicals as an opportunistic association with Chicago political machines to advance his career. But the depth and breadth of the contacts seem deeper.

Obama himself has promised to meet with the hemisphere's Marxist dictators who have systematically dismantled or are in the process of dismantling democracy all across our hemisphere.

This stinks, frankly. Why does someone who says he represents "change" have so many Jurassic Marxists in his camp calling the shots?
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MaGZ said:
You can read the article and follow the links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Marshall_Davis
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You mean this quote?

Purported link between Davis and Barack Obama
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In his autobiographical Dreams from My Father, U.S. Senator and Democratic Party presidential candidate Barack Obama wrote about "Frank", a friend of his grandfather's. "Frank" told Obama that he and Stanley both grew up only 50 miles apart, near Wichita, although they did not meet until Hawaii. He described the way race relations were back then, including Jim Crow, and his view that there had been little progress since then. As Obama remembered, "It made me smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith, living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."[13]

Gerald Horne, a professor, writer, Communist Party historian and contributing editor of Political Affairs, stated that "Frank" was Davis, and further claimed he was a "decisive influence" on Obama.[14] Claims of "decisive influence", 'mentor" and "father figure" are not supported by any facts or in Obama's memoir.
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This is certainly not a settled question. Especially the most relevant question--how Marxist is Obama's current ideology? Hard to imagine that he feels fully committed to the ideology of someone he describes as living in a "60's time warp".
 
Brainster said:
No, I was way too young. Didn't even start college until 1973, well after the heyday of Billy Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
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I’m a year older that you. Back then radicalism was staring to die down, but I remember those times well, even got hear William Kunstler speak on campus.

Moratorium, Kent State, cities burning, ah, those were the days. Maybe Obama can bring the good times back.
 
gdnp said:
You mean this quote?

Purported link between Davis and Barack Obama


This is certainly not a settled question. Especially the most relevant question--how Marxist is Obama's current ideology? Hard to imagine that he feels fully committed to the ideology of someone he describes as living in a "60's time warp".
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Obama got his Marxism from his mother’s milk.
 
Frank Marshall Davis

MaGZ: The wikipedia article seems to refute, rather than support, your contention that Frank Marshall Davis was Obama's mentor. Do you have any other evidence to support your contention? (Other than Kincaid's redbaiting smears, that is.)

Thanks again!
 
BeAChooser said:
Regarding Obama and Marxism ...

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=294880428846293
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BAC failed to note that the emphasis in his quote from the IBD was his own addition. It was not included in the original.

Far worse, the whole article is a giant house of guilt-by-association cards. There is no there, there.

Worst of all, the article ends by stating that various characters cited are now "calling the shots" for Obama. What a steaming pile. Ya did some damage to your credibility and cause by citing that mess, BAC.
 
Kaleokualoha said:
MaGZ: The wikipedia article seems to refute, rather than support, your contention that Frank Marshall Davis was Obama's mentor. Do you have any other evidence to support your contention? (Other than Kincaid's redbaiting smears, that is.)

Thanks again!
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Are you suggesting Obama and Davis did not know each other? Apparently, Obama’s grandfather was close to Davis. To my knowledge the source of the relationship between Obama and Davis is Obama’s book Dreams of My Father. I don’t have a copy, perhaps someone on this fourm does and can provide more details.
 
MaGZ said:
You can read the article and follow the links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Marshall_Davis
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from the link:
Gerald Horne, a professor, writer, Communist Party historian and contributing editor of Political Affairs, stated that "Frank" was Davis, and further claimed he was a "decisive influence" on Obama. Claims of "decisive influence", 'mentor" and "father figure" are not supported by any facts or in Obama's memoir.
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Selective reading much?
 
A comparison:

Say we have a Republican Senator from Mississippi who now running for President of the United States. Back in the 60's his father would take him and the family to a small church run by KKK minister. What would be the press’ reaction to revelation? Compare this example to how the press is treating Obama’ s relationship with Frank Marshall Davis.
 
MaGZ said:
A comparison:

Say we have a Republican Senator from Mississippi who now running for President of the United States. Back in the 60's his father would take him and the family to a small church run by KKK minister. What would be the press’ reaction to revelation? Compare this example to how the press is treating Obama’ s relationship with Frank Marshall Davis.
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Instead of a hypothetical, let's make a real comparison.

Pope Benedict, being a child in Germany in the late 1930's and early 1940's, was a member of the Hitler Youth. The press did note it and, except for a few crazies and conspiracy nuts, it was largely and rightly deemed irrelevant to the man Joseph Ratzinger grew up to be.

Our environment may influence us as we grow up, but it does not dictate us.
 
MaGZ said:
A comparison:

Say we have a Republican Senator from Mississippi who now running for President of the United States. Back in the 60's his father would take him and the family to a small church run by KKK minister. What would be the press’ reaction to revelation? Compare this example to how the press is treating Obama’ s relationship with Frank Marshall Davis.
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We are still awaiting confirmation that "frank" is Davis, and if he was that he really had a significant influence on Obama.

As to the question of the church with a KKK minister, I would think that as long as the Republican senator showed no KKK sympathies, it would be a non-issue. You wouldn't discount a conservative scholar just because he graduated from a "liberal" Ivy League college or took courses taught by marxist professors, would you? You'd evaluate him based on his own writings and opinions.
 
MaGZ said:
A comparison:

Say we have a Republican Senator from Mississippi who now running for President of the United States. Back in the 60's his father would take him and the family to a small church run by KKK minister. What would be the press’ reaction to revelation? Compare this example to how the press is treating Obama’ s relationship with Frank Marshall Davis.
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Taking him to a church run by a KKK minister suggests weekly contact, far beyond the degree of contact suggested in Obama's book. The redbaiting disinformation campaign against Obama seeks to exaggerate their degree of contact, and therefore exaggerate Davis's influence over Obama.

Davis was not "Obama's Communist Mentor." The "mentor" relationship is a deliberate misrepresentation by the disinformation campaign created to exaggerate Obama's radical background. It has successfully permeated the blogosphere. It is sustained by unwitting accomplices, much like the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
 
Confirming "Frank"

gdnp said:
We are still awaiting confirmation that "frank" is Davis, and if he was that he really had a significant influence on Obama.
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There is no doubt that "Frank" is Frank Marshall Davis. My sister, Beth, confirmed it. She is the daughter of Frank Marshall Davis. I am Mark Kaleokualoha Davis, son of Frank Marshall Davis. You may read my analysis of the disinformation campaign on the my.barackobama.com blog under Kaleokualoha. (Sorry, but I cannot post the link here.)
 
Kaleokualoha said:
There is no doubt that "Frank" is Frank Marshall Davis. My sister, Beth, confirmed it. She is the daughter of Frank Marshall Davis. I am Mark Kaleokualoha Davis, son of Frank Marshall Davis. You may read my analysis of the disinformation campaign on the my.barackobama.com blog under Kaleokualoha. (Sorry, but I cannot post the link here.)
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Many thanks for coming here and giving us your primary source POV, Kaleokualoha! And thanks to Upchurch too for finding the direct links and posting them here.
 
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