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NYCCAN - New NY Ballot Initiative 2014

Orphia Nay

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NYCCAN lives to fail another day!

Just got an email from their dusty old email account.

"The New York City Coalition for Accountability Now (NYC CAN) is excited to announce the launch of the “High-rise Safety Initiative,” a new ballot initiative that will amend the New York City Charter to require the NYC Department of Buildings to investigate all high-rise building collapses occurring in New York City on or after September 11, 2001, except the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. The Initiative will apply to the collapse of WTC 7 on September 11, 2001, as well as any high-rise collapse that occurs in the future.

"As many of you know, the City of New York blocked NYC CAN’s 2009 ballot initiative from going before the voters and becoming law. Five years later, we are sponsoring a new ballot initiative that has been carefully crafted to withstand any legal challenge the City might bring."


High Rise Safety Ballot Initiative


"For the proposed charter amendment to appear on the November 4, 2014 ballot, we need to submit 30,000 signatures from registered New York City voters by July 3, 2014, and a second submission of 15,000 signatures by September 5, 2014. To be sure we have enough valid signatures, the High-rise Safety Initiative is aiming to gather 75,000 signatures for the first submission, and 35,000 signatures for the second submission."

They're expecting they might have a legal battle. Get this:

"The petition drive, which will run from May to July 2014, will cost $250,000. The High-rise Safety Initiative is working with a political consulting firm that specializes in field operations to manage the petition drive – which all but ensures that we will successfully gather enough signatures if we meet our fundraising goal. After that, up to $50,000 may be needed for litigation."

Ted Walter appears to be managing the initiative.

No mention of thermite or controlled demolition in the About page, but stolen steel and "no highrise had ever collapsed from fire" makes it pretty obvious they're not interested in an investigation which confirms what we already know.
 
This should be easy.

Earlier this month, a petition was created on the White House's "We the People" site calling for the government to deport Justin Bieber and revoke his green card. As of this afternoon, there are 223,269 signatures on this position.

30,000? no problem :D
 
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So they want an investigation of WTC7, basically. Even NYCCAN'T has given up on nanothermite and controlled demolition.
 
"As many of you know, the City of New York blocked NYC CAN’s 2009 ballot initiative from going before the voters and becoming law".

If these people were really into the truth this statement would read:

"As you know we screwed up and forgot to read up on state laws. We proposed a law that would have violated the law by side stepping the courts and putting the law in our hands. We know this sounds good but, it's illegal. We appreciate all the money you gave us but, we need more. We will achieve nothing but you will feel good about knowing we can eat tonight. In "truth we trust:. "
 
IANAL, but I'm betting a court would throw out the retroactive investigation provision. Also, I'll bet they'll get some push-back on the building permit surcharge. Of course, that may be what they want; to a lot of Truthers, there really is no such thing as bad publicity.
 
This group appeals to the naivete of people with no technical understanding whatsoever and a belief that government will always lie whenever they issue official statements about anything. That combination of naive and let's call it distrustful is large enough to raise money to run their organization and to essentially force an official response which will reject the claims and then becomes proof... the self fulfilling prophesy to this group that they were lied to. They can't lose and they return again with the same old same old and more "proof" of conspiracy.

It's pathetic in the face of all the excellent technical analysis which has been done over the years... and which they simply close their minds to.
 
Same Project Coordinator as ReThink911, same web developer. Probably other overlaps, too.

This here is an activity that leans heavily towards the lobbying side, though, so they probably couldn't do it under the tax-exempt umbrella of AE911Truth.
 
So, how many high rise building collapses have there been since WTC 7? Zero?

Exactly.

And note, they didn't mention any of the smaller WTC buildings that collapsed on 9/11.

Total ignorance.

They couldn't get 30,000 signatures five years ago. It would be a miracle if they get that many by July.
 
Exactly.

And note, they didn't mention any of the smaller WTC buildings that collapsed on 9/11.

Total ignorance.

They couldn't get 30,000 signatures five years ago. It would be a miracle if they get that many by July.

Didn't they have a running on-line count going last time? I checked the site and there was nothing. They usually show the first few hundred signatures and fake couple of thousand in donations when they start these things up, don't they?
 
"Mistakes in the details" IS THE STORY.

MM

That would be the story in some other thread. The story in this thread is about the liars at NYCCAN playing a little fancy free with the law and using sophistry to try to get their pet project on the ballot again. Did you have something to say on this important ballot initiative, or just like NYCCAN are you trawling the old fishing lanes hoping for a nibble?

If they spent several years studying the law, I don't think they did a very good job of it. Any New York lawyers in the house? Does a ballot initiative that has taxation as part of it have any standing under law? In short, are they just hoping for a Pyrrhic victory in getting it on the ballot so they can claim they've done something?
 
If they spent several years studying the law, I don't think they did a very good job of it. Any New York lawyers in the house? Does a ballot initiative that has taxation as part of it have any standing under law? In short, are they just hoping for a Pyrrhic victory in getting it on the ballot so they can claim they've done something?


IANAL, but, as was discussed in regard to NYCCAN's previous failed initiative, basically, any proposal that costs money is required to include a funding mechanism. This is black-letter law, and is one of several major reasons that said previous initiative was unable to pass judicial muster; the court did not accept that donations would provide a legitimate basis for supplying revenue.

ETA: As I mentioned up-thread, I expect there will be some push-back from building contractors who don't want to pay more for building permits, but that's probably just fine with NYCCAN.
 
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Didn't they have a running on-line count going last time? I checked the site and there was nothing. They usually show the first few hundred signatures and fake couple of thousand in donations when they start these things up, don't they?

You can see their fundraising tally at the Donate page:

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/donate/

$2,075 so far.

Haven't seen a signature tally, but I believe they're being collected on paper.
 

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