NY Times editorial bombshell

[Giordano]

More than half the American public just hangs up the phone when a pollster calls -- and many shout obscenities before doing so.

You do realize that pollsters are well aware of this and take it into account when polling? In fact pollsters get paid a lot of money not only by media, but also by businesses. The latter are interested in money not politics and continue to pay pollsters because careful analysis by the business proves that the costs of doing polling, even given the limitations, are well worth it in terms of product sales and profit making.

But of course poll results that specifically run counter to your wishes opinions are flawed and incorrect. I sympathesize.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

Yet he regards them as "very fine people". When he made that statement, he was including protesters carrying Nazi symbols and chanting "blood and soil", an English translation of the Nazi philosophy of "Blut und Boden"; an ideology which stresses that ethnic identity is based on Aryan bloodlines and the land in which an individual lives... its the catch-cry of the so-called Aryan nation.


For a person you claim does not support white supremacists, he has sure made a ringing endorsement of them!

This is pure nonsense, which should come as no surprise to those who keep lending great meaning to this quote, which is always edited to obscure what he actually said, while deviously attempting to rewrite history.

Here is what Trump actually said, for the edification of those who keep hearing the same deceptive rubbish:

"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

I should add that the left would not have to resort to these types of tactics if they had any real evidence to support their tiresome effort to connect Trump to white supremacy.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Hyperpartisan personal anecdotes posted on the internet? As Jon Lovitz's fictional character Tommy Flanagan would say, "Yeah, that's the ticket."

Someone get the digitalis; my ******* face is freezing over and I can't feel my fingers.

Did Slings and Arrows just question someone's partisanship. I think all the irony meters east of Moscow just blew.

 

[johnny karate]

I've heard about this, and your link doesn't even say what actually happened -- the actual full text isn't there, and you do say whatever they were, they were deleted rather quickly, which to me means whoever deleted them was acknowledging mistakes. People make mistakes. But, deception is the core of fake news, so pretending small things have big meanings is par for the course. Whatever actually happened, Trump doesn't support white supremacists, doesn't know any, doesn't hang with them, and has no control over who supports him. Using these weak little snippets to "prove" Trump is a totalitarian or some such garbage is a waste of time.

Question originally asked:

Where is your evidence that Trump ever gives a moment's thought to anything regarding white supremacists aside from denouncing them?

When presented with undeniable evidence of Trump’s connections to white supremacists, it becomes “People make mistakes.”

Goal post shifting and denial of reality. What completely unsurprising tactics from a conservative.

 

[johnny karate]

This is pure nonsense, which should come as no surprise to those who keep lending great meaning to this quote, which is always edited to obscure what he actually said, while deviously attempting to rewrite history.

Here is what Trump actually said, for the edification of those who keep hearing the same deceptive rubbish:

"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

I should add that the left would not have to resort to these types of tactics if they had any real evidence to support their tiresome effort to connect Trump to white supremacy.

The left doesn’t connect Trump to white supremacists.

His Twitter account does.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

The left doesn’t connect Trump to white supremacists.

His Twitter account does.

So, for the record, you're saying that people don't make mistakes when clicking away on the internet? BTW, do you have the full text of the tweets in question? I still don't even know what we are arguing about, but I do know that where there is lack of full disclosure, it is usually accompanied by its buddy deception.

 

[kellyb]

Kind of on topic, this is a REALLY good David Dayen article saying that Timothy Geithner was "the resistance" inside the Obama admin:

https://newrepublic.com/article/151159/tim-geithner-resistance-inside-obama-administration

According to credible accounts, Geithner slow-walked a direct presidential order to prepare the breakup of Citigroup, instead undertaking other measures to nurse the insolvent bank back to health.

Geithner simply didn’t follow the request, failing to produce any proposal for the unwinding of Citi, according to Suskind. It was a classic Washington move: When your boss asks for something you don’t like, just ignore it and hope that the request isn’t necessary when the boss follows up.

Geithner and his bank regulator colleagues made sure a breakup wouldn’t be needed by using Federal Reserve loans, guarantees, and a third bailout to save Citi. Little was asked from the company in return.

As Suskind would conclude, “The Citibank incident, and others like it, reflected a more pernicious and personal dilemma emerging from inside the administration: that the young president’s authority was being systematically undermined or hedged by his seasoned advisers.”

 

[Belz...]

This is pure nonsense, which should come as no surprise to those who keep lending great meaning to this quote, which is always edited to obscure what he actually said, while deviously attempting to rewrite history.

Here is what Trump actually said, for the edification of those who keep hearing the same deceptive rubbish:

"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

I should add that the left would not have to resort to these types of tactics if they had any real evidence to support their tiresome effort to connect Trump to white supremacy.

That changes absolutely nothing.

 

[johnny karate]

So, for the record, you're saying that people don't make mistakes when clicking away on the internet?

No, I’m saying that the guy you claim has no connections to white supremacists has retweeted them on multiple occasions.

It’s a pretty straight forward refutation of your claim.

BTW, do you have the full text of the tweets in question? I still don't even know what we are arguing about, but I do know that where there is lack of full disclosure, it is usually accompanied by its buddy deception.

Why is the content of the tweets relevant?

He retweeted white supremacists. On multiple occasions. That is undeniable and a direct link between Trump and white supremacists.

You can offer all the excuses you want, but the link is there.

 

[LSSBB]

Kind of on topic, this is a REALLY good David Dayen article saying that Timothy Geithner was "the resistance" inside the Obama admin:

https://newrepublic.com/article/151159/tim-geithner-resistance-inside-obama-administration

I'm sure there are many more such stories, in capitols the world over, for centuries, that have never even seen the light of day.

 

[johnny karate]

This is pure nonsense, which should come as no surprise to those who keep lending great meaning to this quote, which is always edited to obscure what he actually said, while deviously attempting to rewrite history.

Here is what Trump actually said, for the edification of those who keep hearing the same deceptive rubbish:

"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

They aren’t Nazis, just fans of slavery and treason!

 

[varwoche]

So, for the record, you're saying that people don't make mistakes when clicking away on the internet? BTW, do you have the full text of the tweets in question? I still don't even know what we are arguing about, but I do know that where there is lack of full disclosure, it is usually accompanied by its buddy deception.

There are multiple instances. (I'll cite them later on from a real computer.) Somehow he manages to find these sources, and he thinks their words have merit. Further, when confronted with the facts, he doesn't retract, doesn't correct the record (in the instances when it involved gross misinformation, e.g. false crime statistics about black people)
Not so much as an "oops". That's because it's a demographic he caters to.

 

[kellyb]

I'm sure there are many more such stories, in capitols the world over, for centuries, that have never even seen the light of day.

See, the CTheorists were right, and the freemasons/illuminati/rosecrutians/deep state steady state IS real and ancient! King Khufu probably ordered a Great Octagon, not that stupid triangle thingie.

 

[Dr. Keith]

This is pure nonsense, which should come as no surprise to those who keep lending great meaning to this quote, which is always edited to obscure what he actually said, while deviously attempting to rewrite history.

Here is what Trump actually said, for the edification of those who keep hearing the same deceptive rubbish:

"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

I should add that the left would not have to resort to these types of tactics if they had any real evidence to support their tiresome effort to connect Trump to white supremacy.

What evidence is there that there were people who showed up to this event supporting historical inaccuracy instead of nazi sympathizers?

I mean, the invitation had swatikas, the hosts were carrying swatikas the group was chanting in German. At what point do you walk up and say "hey, I'm not a Nazi, I'm here to protect that Lee statue for entirely non-racist* reasons, but I guess I'll just march with the Nazis."

Sorry, there is no excuse to march with Nazis unless you support Nazis. Fine people never march with Nazis.



*Learn the history of why these statues were put there and why their very presence is, and always was, about oppression in some other thread.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

FWIW, yes Trump has retweeted racist things. Most notable from the UK perspective, he retweeted anti-Muslim videos posted by the deputy leader of a far-right group.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

1. It was Mike Pence
2. if it wasn't Mike Pence, see 1.

 

[trustbutverify]

Two words. Kelly. Anne.

 

[LSSBB]

I'm Lodestar. And so is my wife.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

No, I’m saying that the guy you claim has no connections to white supremacists has retweeted them on multiple occasions.

It’s a pretty straight forward refutation of your claim.



Why is the content of the tweets relevant?

He retweeted white supremacists. On multiple occasions. That is undeniable and a direct link between Trump and white supremacists.

You can offer all the excuses you want, but the link is there.

So you want me to go find them and make the argument for you? Interesting concept, but I'm not playing. Being a skeptic, I'm thinking all of this bobbing and weaving is because there is no there there.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

What evidence is there that there were people who showed up to this event supporting historical inaccuracy instead of nazi sympathizers?

I mean, the invitation had swatikas, the hosts were carrying swatikas the group was chanting in German. At what point do you walk up and say "hey, I'm not a Nazi, I'm here to protect that Lee statue for entirely non-racist* reasons, but I guess I'll just march with the Nazis."

Sorry, there is no excuse to march with Nazis unless you support Nazis. Fine people never march with Nazis.



*Learn the history of why these statues were put there and why their very presence is, and always was, about oppression in some other thread.

You are making the claim there were no people there who were just protesting the removal of the statue and the renaming of the park, so you can provide the proof.