nurse cuffed by cop for not breaking law

[Nessie]

Payne's supervisor should also be sacked.

 

[Jim_MDP]

Hey, Officer Payne...

"You see that glow flashing in the corner of your eye? That's your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear."




Now, about that field supervisor.

 

[pgwenthold]

It might also be the hospital clarifying that the house supervisor should have intervened sooner, without coming right out and saying they were scolding the supervisor who hand been on that day.

Why? The nurse did everything right. The policeman was wrong. It was HIS fault, not the nurse's, her supervisor, nor the hospital.

 

[crescent]

Why? The nurse did everything right. The policeman was wrong. It was HIS fault, not the nurse's, her supervisor, nor the hospital.

The nurse did everything right - but the nurse's boss and the hospital administration did not.

She should not have been left to deal with that herself - nurses do patient care. The hospital should have sent someone higher in the food chain to deal with the police.

That in no way excuses the police. That does not mean it is the hospital's fault either.

 

[Jodie]

Yea cops really should do a lot of things, but going against another cop is just not going to happen.

If they can't understand the policy/law requiring a warrant for a blood draw working in a hospital then perhaps they shouldn't be cops at all.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

The nurse did everything right - but the nurse's boss and the hospital administration did not.

She should not have been left to deal with that herself - nurses do patient care. The hospital should have sent someone higher in the food chain to deal with the police.

That in no way excuses the police. That does not mean it is the hospital's fault either.

The videos I've seen she is not without staff support, but short of drawing a charge of assaulting an officer, what could they do?

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[Jodie]

Agree, the whole situation could have been avoided if a house supervisor had come down to handle the city cop.

 

[Belz...]

The videos I've seen she is not without staff support, but short of drawing a charge of assaulting an officer, what could they do?

I think Crescent meant that the hospital cops should've asked the officers to get the hell out.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Agree, the whole situation could have been avoided if a house supervisor had come down to handle the city cop.

Or they'd have just ignored the house supervisor's objections just like everyone else's.

Who was the other hospital staffer with a phone out? The one supportively holding her shoulder when she gets pulled outside?

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[Beady]

The videos I've seen she is not without staff support, but short of drawing a charge of assaulting an officer, what could they do?

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Just guessing, but since Payne was quite plainly acting in violation of and in the presence of a printed copy of the mutually-agreed-upon policy, why couldn't the other cops have simply pulled him off her, or even have arrested him for assault? Not that the former would ever happen, but it was(?) an option. Come to think of it, could she sue for false imprisonment?

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[Delphic Oracle]

Just guessing, but since Payne was quite plainly acting in violation of and in the presence of a printed copy of the mutually-agreed-upon policy, why couldn't the other cops have simply pulled him off her, or even have arrested him for assault? Not that the former would ever happen, but it was(?) an option. Come to think of it, could she sue for false imprisonment?

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[crescent]

I think Crescent meant that the hospital cops should've asked the officers to get the hell out.

Apparently the cops were there for about an hour before the video even starts. They should have been dealing with someone very high up the food chain. I don't know if that would have made the cops act differently.

The hospital cops should have paid close enough attention to understand that the nurse was right, the nurse knew police Department policy better than the detective because she had a copy of it in her hand, they should have been fairly knowledgeable about some of the legal aspects of patient care - such as not letting the detective have access to the patient without a warrant or arrest. The hospital cops dropped the ball. Suggesting that their only option would have been to arrest the detective seems to skip about two or three intermediary steps they could have taken, but didn't. They could, at minimum, have at least argued with the detective, instead they were just passive bystanders.

And again, why did the hospital leave her hanging in the wind? Get a boss down there. A big boss. If your employee is doing her job and is on strong legal footing, you protect her. You get the highest level boss in the building down there. That's basic professionalism.

This side of the issue is not about what the detective did - that's inexcusable; his career is toast and he's got a good chance of facing prosecution (Sim Gill, the DA, is one of the good guys in SLC). Regardless of what the police did, the hospital still has a basic duty to protect its employees and see that some of the poop rolls uphill.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Why? The nurse did everything right. The policeman was wrong. It was HIS fault, not the nurse's, her supervisor, nor the hospital.

The nurse's actions are not the problem. It is the house supervisor's job to intervene in a situation like this.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

The nurse's actions are not the problem. It is the house supervisor's job to intervene in a situation like this.

So again I ask, who are the other hospital personnel (who do engage with the officers at several points) in the videos?

This reminds me of when my uncle was depressed/abusing substances/borderline suicidal. Family members not dealing with day-to-day drama would start in with "well then why didn't you..." whatever.

The answer, of course, is "because he's being an irrational prick and it was going to end badly in any case, so get off my back."

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[pgwenthold]

The nurse did everything right - but the nurse's boss and the hospital administration did not.

She should not have been left to deal with that herself -

She did everything that she should have done, there was no more that was required. That it was not sufficient is the fault of the police, not the hospital.

 

[pgwenthold]

Agree, the whole situation could have been avoided if a house supervisor had come down to handle the city cop.

Why, so they could arrest the supervisor instead?

 

[Bob001]

Why, so they could arrest the supervisor instead?

Cops understand hierarchy. They would recognize the supervisor as a boss, with lawyers and other bosses on speed dial, and they would understand that taking on a senior representative of a major institution would have serious repercussions.

 

[Belz...]

Cops understand hierarchy.

These particular cops didn't seem to understand much of anything, to me.

 

[crescent]

She did everything that she should have done, there was no more that was required. That it was not sufficient is the fault of the police, not the hospital.

I agree. I'll go one more and say that she went above and beyond what was required.

I am not blaming the hospital for the police's bad behavior. I am blaming the hospital for leaving a mid-level staff hanging in the wind, when higher level staff members were undoubtedly in the building.

As Bob stated, the police understand hierarchy - including the University police. The detective could probably have understood that arresting a hospital executive in a suit would be more bad than a nurse in scrubs - he just failed to understand that this particular nurse perhaps had a boatload more personal confidence than the average nurse, being a two-time Olympian and all that. He literally did not know who he was messing with.

Had a higher level exec been there, the University police might not have been as passive, being that the hospital is essentially just a different department of their own employer - the University.

Bosses have a purpose, and that goes beyond telling employees what to do. Bosses support the ability of the employees to do the job - they failed to make any effort to do so here.

The police are at fault. That does not negate the fact that faced with a crisis, the hospital and the university police reacted passively and poorly, letting down their employees in the process.

ETA: I don't know if sending a higher level employee would have stopped the police. That's not the point. The point is that the hospital and the university have a duty to protect their staff members. Maybe they could have prevented her arrest, maybe someone else would have been arrested instead. We don't know, because the only real-time support they gave her as a phone call from her direct supervisor. They failed to provide her with any meaningful support - that's poor supervision and it is unprofessional

 

[CORed]

In this state, I think, "Implied Consent" basically means an admission of guilt if you don't do a breath test or give a blood sample. Could be wrong; I'll have to look it up.

I don't know the specifics for your state, but usually refusing a test results in suspension or revocation of the drivers license, and can be used against the defendant in a DUI/DWI trial. If you're stopped for DUI, and think it's likely that a test will show you to be over the limit for DUI, it's actually in your best interest to refuse the test. You will definitely lose your license, but have a better chance of being acquitted. A conviction will of course result in suspension or revocation of your license anyway, will also subject you to large fines and possible jail time.