Merged nuclear power safe?

[shadron]

Deniers have already started spreading the "news" that some places in the world have naturally high background radiation, and that 20 mSv/yr isn't actually that bad.

Actually, that's happens to be true, at least the first part. Semipalatynsk is not a safe area to live in right now; perhaps you can imagine why. But do you know which state has the highest natural radiation background?

Not to leave you in suspense, it is Iowa. Why? Because the soil of the state started life as granite layers of rock in Canada. It was conveniently ground up and dragged to Iowa, free of charge. Unfortunately, the granite had a substantial load of uranium ores in it, and now Iowa is your radon field of dreams.

That's not an isolated story. Granite often contains uranium salts, as does lignite coal. So, yes, there are areas in the world which are more naturally radioactive than others. That has been obvious to geologists since at least the 1930s.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Oh yeah. The real danger at Chernobyl was the fear. That's why everybody ran, and didn't return. That fear is deadly.

Why must you insist on lying? That isn't what Dr. Cutler said at all.

The denier knows he can't back his arguments up with what is in front of him, so he must make it up.

 

[r-j]

Real facts, Real Experts:


Based on the radiation levels around Fukushima, it is wrong to speak
about a health risk from the radiation. There is, however, a very
real health risk is from the fear that the media and many others have
been whipping up.

That is with out a doubt one of the dumbest things ever uttered by "an expert".

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Dr. Cuttler is a nuclear engineer with experience specific to monitoring radiation releases at nuclear power plants.

Are you a nuclear engineer? Of course not. Did you ever work at a reactor? No. Do you actually know anything about radiation and nuclear accidents? Of course not. But you act like you know something when you don't, and then you try to degrade people who do. Pathetic really.

 

[bikerdruid]

Dr. Cuttler is a nuclear engineer with experience specific to monitoring radiation releases at nuclear power plants.

Are you a nuclear engineer? Of course not. Did you ever work at a reactor? No. Do you actually know anything about radiation and nuclear accidents? Of course not. But you act like you know something when you don't, and then you try to degrade people who do. Pathetic really.

dr cuttler may know a great deal about radiation, but is he also an expert in sociology and psychology?
his claim, "There is, however, a very real health risk is from the fear that the media and many others have
been whipping up," would indicate that he considers himself to be.

 

[Travis]

I kind of like being called a "denier."

 

[theprestige]

dr cuttler may know a great deal about radiation, but is he also an expert in sociology and psychology?
his claim, "There is, however, a very real health risk is from the fear that the media and many others have
been whipping up," would indicate that he considers himself to be.

It takes a radiation expert to tell you if your fear of radiation is rational.

It doesn't take a psychology expert to tell you that irrational fear leads to trouble.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

dr cuttler may know a great deal about radiation, but is he also an expert in sociology and psychology?
his claim, "There is, however, a very real health risk is from the fear that the media and many others have
been whipping up," would indicate that he considers himself to be.

In addition to what prestige has pointed out, one does not need to be a psychologist or a psychiatrist to know what PTSD is. It is also pretty much a given that having suffered a massive earthquake and tsunami, dragging people away from their homes in the face of an imaginary disaster, will needlessly and unnecessarily multiply the risk of PTSD among the population.

We know that the media has falsely and either deliberately or incompetently spread fear and hysteria about fukushima.

See if you can guess what is not in any of the following photographs:

If you guessed "there's no nuclear reactors in those photos"* then you get a cigar**!



*There is at least one professional anti-nuclear activist lying piece of dung in the above photos who has been successfully sued for libel and defamation of character by the director of safeguards and non-proliferation at Chalk River Nuclear Laboratory.


**Cigars and other tobacco products have killed hundreds of thousands more people than civilian nuclear power stations. If you are offered the choice between a cigar or a nuclear power plant built in your area, you are advised to choose the nuclear power plant.

 

[r-j]

If anyone could get near enough to take pictures of the nuclear reactors, especially when they were burning, blowing the hell apart, and all that jazz, there would be pictures. It's actually quite amazing how little photographic record there is of the whole disaster.

Building four blew up and nobody even knows how or why. Much less any video of it happening. One day a fire is reported, the next day most of the building is gone.

 

[Aepervius]

If anyone could get near enough to take pictures of the nuclear reactors, especially when they were burning, blowing the hell apart, and all that jazz, there would be pictures. It's actually quite amazing how little photographic record there is of the whole disaster.

Building four blew up and nobody even knows how or why. Much less any video of it happening. One day a fire is reported, the next day most of the building is gone.

Fancy that you concentrate on number 4, when we have video of the others. I guess sicne you lost the argument on all front on data, science, and whatnot, you have to dig pretty deep.
ETA: and ehre is one video of reactor 4 exploding : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_HksDW3BSw

Actually there are two good hypotheses why reactor 4 blew. Hydrogen explosion and steam explosion. So "nobody" knows why , is a misnomer.

 

[Christian Klippel]

When faced with real facts, real experts, real scientific information, the denier simply turns away, and tries to make it personal. Being insulting and stupid.

It is like some sort of cult.

You must be talking about yourself and your ilk here, because so far it is you who has never brought any real facts, experts or information. And it is you who constantly runs away and gets all upset when faced with said facts, experts and information.

Projecting much?

 

[Toke]

This tread can be a with of a mouthful if one is raised with the idea that nuclear power is a technocratic prestige project that will destroy the earth through meltdowns, nuclear waste, or the nukes it is used to produce.
It did not help that the Swedes placed Barsebäck next to Copenhagen instead of Stockholm.

I now see that break/meltdowns does not automatically devastate everything for hundred of kilometres around the plant. As for the waste I see a disparity in how long we get energy vs. how long we a saddling our descendants with dangerous waste.

 

[r-j]

The explosion(s) that destroyed building four happened during the wee hours of morning. It was also one of the times everyone working there had to flee. Notice the wind blowing inland after the event.

The only reason things aren't much much worse is the wind was blowing out to see during the worst releases of radiation. OK that was worse for ocean life, but face it, nobody even thinks radiation into the ocean is an issue. The refrain is always, "Oh by the time it gets to any people it will be diluted". Which is the same specious argument used by the coal industry to hand wave away their pollution.

 

[Christian Klippel]

As for the waste I see a disparity in how long we get energy vs. how long we a saddling our descendants with dangerous waste.

Which could be greatly mitigated if new reactor design would come to market, like LFTR's and TWR's. That even would allow us to re-use the material that currently is considered waste.

But instead governments like the German one pump 17 billion Euros in 2011 alone into photovoltaics. Something that doesn't even start to make sense in Germany, since we simply do not have enough sunlight of the required intensity to make sense of all that.

Imagine those 17 billions put into research and manufacture of LFTR, TWR and Stellarator instead. (The latter of which has only a meager few hundred million Euros during the period of several years).

Greetings,

Chris

 

[Christian Klippel]

The explosion(s) that destroyed building four happened during the wee hours of morning. It was also one of the times everyone working there had to flee. Notice the wind blowing inland after the event.

The only reason things aren't much much worse is the wind was blowing out to see during the worst releases of radiation. OK that was worse for ocean life, but face it, nobody even thinks radiation into the ocean is an issue. The refrain is always, "Oh by the time it gets to any people it will be diluted". Which is the same specious argument used by the coal industry to hand wave away their pollution.

The more you post here, the more your utter ignorance about the topic at hand is showing.

Keep it up, it really is damn funny.

 

[Aepervius]

The explosion(s) that destroyed building four happened during the wee hours of morning. It was also one of the times everyone working there had to flee. Notice the wind blowing inland after the event.

6am isn't exactely the wee morning, for me it is already morning.

The only reason things aren't much much worse is the wind was blowing out to see during the worst releases of radiation. OK that was worse for ocean life, but face it, nobody even thinks radiation into the ocean is an issue. The refrain is always, "Oh by the time it gets to any people it will be diluted". Which is the same specious argument used by the coal industry to hand wave away their pollution.

Sigh. You are like an eel. When you lose on one front, like above, instead of admitting you had a bad argument , you look for another front. And then later on your circle you retreat on the same front you lsot earlier, either having forgotten yourself you were corrected and shown wrong, or hoping the other forgot.

I think I am starting to call you DOC-j.

 

[Toke]

Christian,
You do have a point there.
We need something to replace coal and oil, and at the moment renewable energy does not look promising for core electricity production. It clearly needs more research , which the Danish government have cut back on.
Actually going full ahead with solar cells in Germany looks a bit premature considering it lack of efficiency and the German weather.

 

[JihadJane]

"New TEPCO data measured on August 19 & 20 shows severe damage to the spent fuel in Fukushima Daiichi Units 1, 2, and 3. The adjacent TEPCO table posted on the front page shows incredibly high levels of Cesium 137 and Cesium 134 in all three spent fuel pools of Units 1, 2, & 3. This TEPCO data clearly contradicts and refutes the July assertion by the NRC the Fukushima Daiichi spent fuel pools were not damaged in this tragic accident. Crytome (cry to me) has a new high resolution photo, also uploaded, that shows the extensive damage of the Unit 3 spent fuel pool and the reactor building"


Newly Released TEPCO Data Proves Fairewinds Assertions of Significant Fuel Pool Failures at Fukushima Daiichi

We need something to replace coal and oil...

Why?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

"New TEPCO data measured on August 19 & 20 shows severe damage to the spent fuel in Fukushima Daiichi Units 1, 2, and 3. The adjacent TEPCO table posted on the front page shows incredibly high levels of Cesium 137 and Cesium 134 in all three spent fuel pools of Units 1, 2, & 3. This TEPCO data clearly contradicts and refutes the July assertion by the NRC the Fukushima Daiichi spent fuel pools were not damaged in this tragic accident. Crytome (cry to me) has a new high resolution photo, also uploaded, that shows the extensive damage of the Unit 3 spent fuel pool and the reactor building"


Newly Released TEPCO Data Proves Fairewinds Assertions of Significant Fuel Pool Failures at Fukushima Daiichi

This isn't even remotely proof that nuclear power is unsafe. This is an argument that no more plants like Fukushima ONE should be built. Fukushima ONE type plants haven't been built in more than thirty years.

Problem solved.

We need something to replace coal and oil,

Why?

Because we are running out of oil and coal pollutes too much (was this a serious question?).

 

[Toke]

Why?

Have you heard about global warming?
What about peak oil?

There are serious downsides to burning fossil fuels, I am not too optimistic about resolving them before the fossil fuels run out though.