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Merged nuclear power safe?

Eddie Dane said:
This mainstream German TV.

I think you can forget about that nuclear renaissance.
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Whats even worse is that the ZDF is not one of the privately held TV stations. It's a station operating under "public law". They make us pay for these stations using the excuse that they, and only they, provide high quality and objective journalism.

Go figure...

Greetings,

Chris
 
Eddie Dane said:
Well I've just watched a ZDF special about the nuclear issue and here is what I've learned...
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I wish someone would ask these overwrought news presenters what 50s Soviet technology they still use or are planning to use on a daily basis, or indeed whether they still drive a 60s era Japanese car?

If designs of products in most other spheres of life can change and improve over time, based on research and experience, then why do they seem to think that, in the case of nuclear reactors, there's been no change to their design since that first reactor built on the University of Chicago's rackets court?
 
bobdroege7 said:
At 400 millisieverts per hour:

In 8 minutes you exceed your annual dose limit for US radworkers.

In 40 minutes you equal my lifetime (so far) exposure from 30 years.

In about the same 40 minutes blood changes due to rad exposure could be detected.

In about an hour and 30 minutes you could see the start of radiation sickness.

In about 12 hours you approach the 50/50 chance of a lethal dose.

So much for it isn't dangerous.
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Did you miss the part where the radiation levels spiked to 400 millisieverts? That means it was a relatively brief event, and then the levels decreased.

:rolleyes:
 
Debaser said:
Having watched the coverage this evening they may as well have gathered the dozen or so special reporters they've managed to ship out to Japan, between them, into one long line and just had them masturbating whilst repeating the mantra '...huh...nuclear...huh...meltdown...huh...nuclear...huh...meltdown...' it was about as informative.

To have Jon Snow, at one point, marvel that people were more concerned that they'd lost their homes, families and life as they'd known it due to the tsunami, than about the imminent '...huh...nuclear...huh...meltdown...huh...', Jesus wept.

So, a couple of questions for legal minds;
Is it still illegal to shoot the wilfully ignorant?
Since the earthquake and tsunami that has evidently killed many thousands of human beings is due to the entity known as 'Earth', can those who openly admit to being 'Friends' of the Earth be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit, or aiding and abetting?
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Say it aint so!

Jon Snow is one of our best journalists. Usually. :(
 
DC said:
you told me a story about the plant not being vented and an explosion was risked to prevent fearmongering, i asked for a source, you failed to provide it.
once you provide a source for your story, i will read it, but you dint do so.
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I asked you to point the readers to my allegedly invented story. Instead you are claiming that i said something which in fact i did never say.

At no point i did say that they did not vent and thus risked an explosion. What i said is that they decided to not vent _directly_to_the_outside/atmosphere, but instead vent to inside the building and thus risked an explosion of hydrogen. And they did so because they wanted to wait a little time so that the radioactivity in the steam decayed before released, so that the people would not be terrorized any further by the media because of the radiation levels outside increasing. Because the media would not mention that this radiation level would exist only for a short period of time, but instead would scream "Radiation levels raised! We are going to die! The end is near!", as they usually do in such situations.

But thanks for lying.
 
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MarkCorrigan said:
Say it aint so!

Jon Snow is one of our best journalists. Usually. :(
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I know, but he seems to have gone off the deep end on this. I wonder what he's still doing there 'cause from his demeanour you'd think half of Honshu was going to melt into the sea.

I half expected him to do a 'Jack Hawkins in Zulu' and start shaking these poor elderly people shouting 'You're all going to die!'.
 
An update from the World Nuclear News website...

Radiation decreasing, fuel ponds warming
... Japanese authorities told the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that radiation levels at the plant site between units 3 and 4 reached a peak of some 400 millisieverts per hour. "This is a high dose-level value," said the body, "but it is a local value at a single location and at a certain point in time."

Later readings were 11.9 millisieverts per hour, followed six hours later by 0.6 millisieverts, which the IAEA said "indicate the level of radioactivity has been decreasing."

Almost all people living within 20 kilometres of the plant have already been evacuated and supplied with potassium-iodide pills that will protect them effectively against the effects of iodine-131 that could conceivably be emitted in the future. The pills saturate the thyroid gland and prevent the radioactive iodine-131 from being absorbed, dramatically reducing the risk of thyroid cancers, which are the major potential health effect from the possible progression of the accident.

The IAEA said 150 people from around the site have been monitored. The results of some people have been reported and 23 have undergone decontamination. ...
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I'm sure someone will find nothing but bad news in this :rolleyes:
 
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JihadJane said:
No, 9/11 was over-hyped too. That was only three thousand deaths.
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I suggest you read part of it again. Not 4,000 deaths from thyroid cancer, but 4,000 cases. The number of deaths: nine.

You also neglected this part:

Poverty, "lifestyle" diseases now rampant in the former Soviet Union and mental health problems pose a far greater threat to local communities than does radiation exposure.
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Debaser said:
there's been no change to their design since that first reactor built on the University of Chicago's rackets court?
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I have a bit of graphite from that (tested and clean), although I do not have any formal provenance to document it.
 
bobdroege7 said:
At 400 millisieverts per hour:

In 8 minutes you exceed your annual dose limit for US radworkers.

In 40 minutes you equal my lifetime (so far) exposure from 30 years.

In about the same 40 minutes blood changes due to rad exposure could be detected.

In about an hour and 30 minutes you could see the start of radiation sickness.

In about 12 hours you approach the 50/50 chance of a lethal dose.

So much for it isn't dangerous.
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This was a spike. From what i read they are at about 10 millisievert per hour. So multiply all those time by 40. Although you might better off verify for yourself there, as I have so many numbers in mind that I might not give the correct one.

ETA I see MattusMaximus confirmed at 11.9 and now 0.6 millisivert per hour. 0.6 millisivert per hour is less than the background radiation at my old home.
 
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Christian Klippel said:
Whats even worse is that the ZDF is not one of the privately held TV stations. It's a station operating under "public law". They make us pay for these stations using the excuse that they, and only they, provide high quality and objective journalism.

Go figure...

Greetings,

Chris
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I'm ashamed of being German these days.

German politians are claiming that this will bring the end of nuclear power worldwide.

German papers are claiming that the reactor core has been breached.

The goddam reactor core.

WTF is wrong with Germany these days? Seriously, I'm never going back.
 
“This Could Become Chernobyl on Steroids”: Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gundersen on Japan’s Growing Nuclear Crisis
 
bobdroege7 said:
At 400 millisieverts per hour:.....
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So in the units I am used to working with, this is 40 Rads per hour. Not bad unless you are leaning against it. Here is a rule of thumb we call the curie-meter-rem rule. It is supposed to be close for Co-60 gamma sources. A one curie Co-60 gamma point source is 1 rad per hour. Double the distance and you quarter the dose.

If it is a 40 rad/hr point source, then it is 26 millirads (.26 millisieverts) per hour a meter away. At ten meters the source is insignifigant. I'm sure it is more than a point source, but it is not the monster that some pople are making it out to be unless it is on fire and spewing out lots of activity.

Ranb
 
armageddonman said:
I'm ashamed of being German these days.

German politians are claiming that this will bring the end of nuclear power worldwide.

German papers are claiming that the reactor core has been breached.

The goddam reactor core.

WTF is wrong with Germany these days? Seriously, I'm never going back.
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Why go back?

If they keep this up, their days as a leading industrial nation are numbered.
 
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