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Merged nuclear power safe?

BenBurch said:
STUPID thing to say.

Nothing is safe.

A coal burning power plant murders several people every year on average from mining accidents, transportation accidents, toxic mine tailings, broken sludge dams, pollution in the form of Mercury and RADIOACTIVE emissions of Uranium, Radium and Thorium that people downwind breathe.

The worst we COULD have happen here will never rise to that level.
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Turkey Point nuclear power station: A nuke plant in Florida that's a hideaway for American alligators.
 
bikerdruid said:
true.
in alberta, too much of that is coal.
southern alberta has incredible wind potential, for example.
we have greater potential for hydro than we use.
even using natural gas would be cleaner than coal....and we have a lot of gas.
there are alternatives that do no need to include nuclear.
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And the components that went into the computer you're using to access your incredibly slow dial up?
Ride a bike? What about the energy that went into producing the materials that went into producing your bicycle? And the energy that went into harvesting/mining the materials that went into producing the energy that went into mining the materials that went into producing your bicycle?

Henry David Thoreau you are not, try as you may.
 
gumboot said:
Some of the reporting has been outright disgusting. Our media initially reported a meltdown at the nuclear powerplant would "wipe Japan off the map". This morning the headline ran "More than 10,000 feared dead as nuclear meltdown looms".

That's just blatant disregard for reality. A deliberate attempt to link Tsunami deaths with the nuclear power situation.

Our media repeats the "above safe levels", "1000x normal" etc. for radiation in virtually every article, but never once have I seen them actually make reference to what those levels are and how they compare with, say, background levels. The reality is a little digging indicates the levels, even at the alarming "1000x normal" are well, well below dangerous levels, even with prolonged exposure.
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Is there a treatment or a tablet to take for radiation exposure over safe limits? What is the "danger zone out of treatment"?
 
BobTheDonkey said:
And the components that went into the computer you're using to access your incredibly slow dial up?
Ride a bike? What about the energy that went into producing the materials that went into producing your bicycle? And the energy that went into harvesting/mining the materials that went into producing the energy that went into mining the materials that went into producing your bicycle?

Henry David Thoreau you are not, try as you may.
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ii ride an 35 year old soviet motorcycle that i maintain myself.
i drive a 30 year old toyota truck which i maintain myself.
i am not a very good consumer.

thoreau i have never tried to be, although i enjoy his works immensely.
however, i will not be moving back to town, as he did.
 
Nosi said:
Is there a treatment or a tablet to take for radiation exposure over safe limits?
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Yes, there are various treatments one can use for radiation exposure. The treatment depends on the type of exposure. In a situation like this, the primary risk is not from direct radiation doses from the reactor, but from contamination with radioactive material. The primary line of defense is simply to wash yourself off and change into clean clothes. But there are also more sophisticated things you can do, including pills you can take. For example, radioactive iodine is one of the larger threats in such a scenario. If you take iodine tablets, the excess (meaning, more than your body needs) non-radioactive iodine in the pills will help flush the body of any radioactive iodine you might have absorbed.
 
bikerdruid said:
s of t is one of those.
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No I'm not.

I would totally love a nuclear reactor in my back yard.

If a nuclear company rep came up to me and said "Hey, we have a hundred thousand dollars for you if you'd let us bury a ten ton cask of waste under your house" knowing what I know about radiation and nuclear waste, I'd totally go for that too.

he strongly supports a proposed nuclear plant that bruce power wants to build in my back yard.
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This is true. But not because I'm trying to keep it away from me. It's because I've actually spoken to engineers from Bruce Power and AECL and the Peace River area is the best place in Alberta to site a reactor. I didn't write the laws that govern physics and engineering, I just follow them.

Using it to get your goat is just gravy. :D

bikerdruid said:
at least i'm not a nimby type.
i don't support nuclear power in anyone's backyard.
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And this is so much better than being a petty fascist who wants to force people to live his way? Wealth is tied to energy production. Dollars, pounds, marks and yen go up and down, but kilowatts are the only currency that never changes in value. Generally speaking, the more watts you make, the more you have.

You've already said you hate humanity. Now you're saying you don't want them prosperous and well off. I guess this makes me the opposite of you. I don't hate people the way you do.
 
Nuclear energy is not only the safest for man, but it is also the safest for the environment.

Compare the environmental devastation between this:
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And this:
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The top picture is a disaster. Dozens of acres of fertile soil plowed up and paved over, turned into cold lifeless concrete, steel and silicon for what... a pitiful flow of electrons for a few hours a day (70 megawatts, to be exact)?

The second picture is from Brookhaven Technology Groups proposal for small portable nuclear reactors. The creators of the technowasteland above could have opted for a facility that would have produced the same amount of power both day and night even on cloudy days in a facility no larger than the maintenance yard in the lower right hand corner. And they could have used the rest to plant a fruit orchard or just a park.

Nuclear is actually greener than so called rewables.

EDIT: FYI, Bikerdruid, the smaller of the reactors pictured above literally would fit in my own backyard along with its support systems. And I would totally go for it.
 
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Puppycow said:
Deaths per TWh for all energy sources: Rooftop solar power is actually more dangerous than Chernobyl
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Really poorly written article.

It gets it's death rate by extrapolating from reported falling deaths of roofers and making an assumption about how many of them must have been working on solar panels.

That's a lot of assumption.

Not only that, but it uses the supposed danger of working on roofs against solar power, but doesn't include similar construction and maintenence risk with nuclear power. I assure you that construction of nuclear power plants involves risk.

The page looks like an SEO adserving effort more than any sort of authority.
 
gumboot said:
Some of the reporting has been outright disgusting.
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Believe it or not, these two quotes come from the same article (all bolding mine):

Authorities are fighting to avert a meltdown at stricken reactors at the Fukushima plant in the worst nuclear accident since the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.
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Japan has rated the Fukushima accident at four on an international scale - meaning an accident with local consequences - against Chernobyl which was worst at seven on the 1-7 scale.

Three Mile Island rated a five.
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:boggled:

Edit: Nevermind - turns out I don't know my history. TMI came first. Thanks, Ben! :o
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
EDIT: FYI, Bikerdruid, the smaller of the reactors pictured above literally would fit in my own backyard along with its support systems. And I would totally go for it.
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You might have the odd zoning problem.
And maybe the occasional terrorist difficulty.

But if you get one working, drop me a line.:D
 
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