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Merged nuclear power safe?

What risks are plant's workers facing?

Some expert on the radio said that they would probably get cancer from working under the current conditions.
 
Take it as having to ask for proof that the sky is blue.



The US has a very strong opposition to nuclear power. I already gave a link to greens.org showing the opposition to reprocessing on the basis of it being used to create new stations. If you can't be bothered studying the topic and learning, then don't expect me to dig up more links for you to not read.

Japan doesn't use them because it hasn't been into research and development, but after several minor incidents in the later 1990's they cancelled a number of planets and started investigation into the new generation stations signing an agreement with the US to start developing fast reactor technology, fuel cycle technology among other things on 2007.

oh the greens are very known to have huge influence on politics in the USA.......

and a group opposing something is not evidence of them actually lobbieng ....
 
I suspect that Japan's political parties have trouble selling an anti-nuke program.Japan has very little energy and shutting down the nukes would very soon result in eating raw food in the dark.

In Europe we have the luxury of dreaming sweet dreams of windmills and solar panels whilst getting our power from French nukes and Russian gas.

that was my point.
 
Yes, what? After all, the quote above read (emphasis in the original):



How on Earth is anyone to know what he's talking about? :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: so you have trouble reading? 2 mixed up letters and you are already unable to understand it, wow......:rolleyes:
 
In Europe we have the luxury of dreaming sweet dreams of windmills and solar panels whilst getting our power from French nukes and Russian gas.

Considering the fact that Gerhard Schröder (our former chancellor) got his share in GazProm back then, one has to wonder if the results from the anti-nuke movement here (no new plants, no reprocessing, etc) have been their achievement exclusively.

One thing is for sure: Due to the decision here to switch off 7 nukes here, at least one of them permanently, and to the likely stop (either temporary or permanently) of nuke technology or plants throughout Europe, Schröder and his friends in Russia are going to have a field day.

Greetings,

Chris

Edit: And the sweet dream of solar panels will burst rather soon, i suspect. Namely, at the very moment they are to be installed massively. Because then people will start to realize that the materials used for them are rare, mostly collected by destructive exploitation, and that the process of actually manufacturing them is a rather nasty one with lots of chemicals involved. They will hit the bottom of that pit rather quickly, i think.
 
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which political party is oposing nuclear power? or any other significatn group?

Well define significant but there are anti-nuclear lobby groups in Japan just as there are elsewhere...

For example:

http://www.cnic.jp/english/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sōka_Gakkai

Not to mention that all the international groups have as much influence in/on Japan as they do elsewhere.

There's also a paper here that talks about shifting public opinion in Japan against nuclear power and how it may influence the government.

http://www.rice.edu/energy/publications/docs/JES_NuclearEnergyPolicyPublicOpinion.pdf
 
Considering the fact that Gerhard Schröder (our former chancellor) got his share in GazProm back then, one has to wonder if the results from the anti-nuke movement here (no new plants, no reprocessing, etc) have been their achievement exclusively.

One thing is for sure: Due to the decision here to switch off 7 nukes here, at least one of them permanently, and to the likely stop (either temporary or permanently) of nuke technology or plants throughout Europe, Schröder and his friends in Russia are going to have a field day.

Greetings,

Chris

So far i have heard something like that only from "Die Linke" they wanted to moderate nuclear technology worldwide.
Others wanted it only for Germany.
 
I'm not really sure such a thing exists but even if it did you would still have an issue in that anything stored locally would be underwater and anything stored further away would have to be found and transported among all the chaos.

I'm sure there will be things learned from this event that makes the next time round even safer. It's easy to say things were preventable in hindsight but you can't prevent every conceivable issue and even if you could there's always something you won't have thought of.

That's why there are layers and layers and layers and layers of failsafes and prevention measures in use. Just because you need to rely on the 4th or 5th level of protection doesn't mean your system failed. However, it does mean that people can look at levels 1,2 and 3 and see how they can be improved.

That in the event of a major quake the following are entirely probable is not 'every conceivable' type of speculation. Japan is a land just waiting for a major quake, it probably has the toughest building codes in the world.

1. There is a good chance external power will fail. This is a given in a major quake. Don't count on it.
2. There may well be a major tsunami. After the Indonesian tsunami, the protection for the backup generators may well have stood a quick check. Near sea level behind a sea wall would have raised some interest. Don't count any anything near sea level being available.
3. The outages may well last longer than eight hours in the case of a major quake. In a major quake, expect power to be out for protracted periods of time. Modern battery technology has the capability to keep power going much longer.

The power to keep the cooling going is already very vulnerable on all three available sources. Having multiple vulnerable backups doesn't count for much.

It may have sounded good in 1970, but over 40 years, a review would have found that it needed improvement.

There are the containment levels, but by the time you are talking about using them, you are already getting pretty desperate. Having the backup cooling is the first line, and if it had worked, none of the the following disaster would have had to be dealt with.

There is also the issue of why an obsolete power plant was still even in service when there are much more modern, that is failsafe, designs available. A politician on the radio claimed this was due to anti nuclear protests. If it hadn't been for them, the plant would have been replaced already. I don't know how true that is.
 
oh the greens are very known to have huge influence on politics in the USA.......

and a group opposing something is not evidence of them actually lobbieng ....

so organising 4000 people to send this letter to Obama on 4 days wasn't lobbying?
 
One thing is for sure: Due to the decision here to switch off 7 nukes here, at least one of them permanently, and to the likely stop (either temporary or permanently) of nuke technology or plants throughout Europe, Schröder and his friends in Russia are going to have a field day.

In other news:

Stock markets around the globe compared to their close on Thursday, March 10th: down, most significantly down.
Gazprom shares in XETRA compared to their close on Tursday, March 10th: up about 5%.
 
So far i have heard something like that only from "Die Linke" they wanted to moderate nuclear technology worldwide.
Others wanted it only for Germany.

One is about the decisions made here, the other half of that sentence is about decision that are likely to be expected in other European countries.

But then, you showed more than once that you reading comprehension seems to fail rather often.
 
One is about the decisions made here, the other half of that sentence is about decision that are likely to be expected in other European countries.

But then, you showed more than once that you reading comprehension seems to fail rather often.

:rolleyes: still missing the source to your fantastic story you made up yesterday.
 
In other news:

Stock markets around the globe compared to their close on Thursday, March 10th: down, most significantly down.
Gazprom shares in XETRA compared to their close on Tursday, March 10th: up about 5%.

Surprise, surprise. Who would have though _that_ :D

I swear i was not aware of that previously. Thanks for the info.

Greetings,

Chris
 
What risks are plant's workers facing?

Some expert on the radio said that they would probably get cancer from working under the current conditions.

At the levels that have been present, and the work they have to do, they are risking their lives.

There are also reports of two workers 'missing' after an event in plant 4

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...hima-reactor-no4/story-fn3dxity-1226022252864

That story doesn't seem to have stayed around, maybe it is not correct.
 
That in the event of a major quake the following are entirely probable is not 'every conceivable' type of speculation. Japan is a land just waiting for a major quake, it probably has the toughest building codes in the world.

1. There is a good chance external power will fail. This is a given in a major quake. Don't count on it.
2. There may well be a major tsunami. After the Indonesian tsunami, the protection for the backup generators may well have stood a quick check. Near sea level behind a sea wall would have raised some interest. Don't count any anything near sea level being available.
3. The outages may well last longer than eight hours in the case of a major quake. In a major quake, expect power to be out for protracted periods of time. Modern battery technology has the capability to keep power going much longer.

The power to keep the cooling going is already very vulnerable on all three available sources. Having multiple vulnerable backups doesn't count for much.

It may have sounded good in 1970, but over 40 years, a review would have found that it needed improvement.

There are the containment levels, but by the time you are talking about using them, you are already getting pretty desperate. Having the backup cooling is the first line, and if it had worked, none of the the following disaster would have had to be dealt with.

There is also the issue of why an obsolete power plant was still even in service when there are much more modern, that is failsafe, designs available. A politician on the radio claimed this was due to anti nuclear protests. If it hadn't been for them, the plant would have been replaced already. I don't know how true that is.

Monday Quater-backing sums up this entire post. All engineering has to consider what risk it is willing to counter, the effects of a 1,000 year earth quake, the 5th largest ever recorded, and then being hit by a 10m high tsunami is pretty unlikely. You might as well ask why the WTC wasn't built to withstand the impact and fires of a high speed 767.
 
:rolleyes: still missing the source to your fantastic story you made up yesterday.

Still watching your failure to read the threads here and follow the links given as well as the ones you will find on the linked sites.

Again, no, i will not spoon feed you. I found that through reading all of that information on the links and their follow ups given here. Do some effort of your own. I cant be bothered to do your homework, so stop asking already.
 

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