Mr.Herbert
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omg... what an insult to Mr. Maris.
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What would scares me is that you are who you claim to be. You (and people like you) my friend are the reason we were attacked in the first place. Why are you so afraid to blow the whistle on all this? Why do you have to wait for a "declassified" version? You say you know the truth, so why are you so scared to put this to rest? You are the person "truthers" say are too afraid or chicken to lose their jobs to do the right thing (like FDNY firefighters not reporting what they saw).I guess i will table the discussion if i can get an answer to the following.
Why are the people on here afraid to talk about this document. Does it really scare you that much that this document will make you wake up to the reallity that something else happened that day then what you were told or that you believe happened?
I'm violating my own principles by posting this, but Ultima had a legitimate question that I'd like to answer regarding why we seem, to him, to not want to the discuss the document in question.
It's simple, Ultima. Right now, the document doesn't exist because you have not received it and ultimately do not know WHAT, if ANYTHING, it says in regards to your original contention that Flight 93 was shot down. And that is your original contention; don't try to dance around that. People have posted the proof of that numerous times. Setting that aside, however, until you actually have received the document and we know exactly what it says, discussing it is pointless. For all we know it could say the moon is made of green cheese, for Pete's sake! The speculation on the internet about what it says does not count because you and 16.5 are the only individuals who have actually, as far as I can tell, made a concerted effort to request an unclassified copy of the document; the person you keep linking to who discusses it on the internet is involved in mere speculation as to what it says because he does not have the physical document. He only has what someone else SUPPOSEDLY said about it. I will happily discuss the contents of the document WHEN YOU AND 16.5 HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED IT, but speculating on what it says serves little or no purpose right now because we quite simply DON'T KNOW what it actually says. All I'm asking is that you, me, and the others in this thread table this discussion completely until the document is in hand, either yours or 16.5's, preferably both, and we can discuss it then. But everything else in this thread after about the first two pages (and that's being generous) are discussing areas that have little or nothing to do with the document in question and are, quite simply, pointless. I include my posts in that estimation, just so you know.
You are constantly accusing others of being immature, Ultima, in this very thread. So do you care to show that you can act mature enough to table a useless discussion until the physical evidence is in hand or not?
Well,
You know, there are many people who, for whatever reason, need to pretend to be something they are not. You see them in bars. The fellow who claims to be a Vietnam Veteran who, when asked his age, ends up being in gradeschool at the wars end. Or the person who pretends to be a member of Special Forces, who when asked where the mess hall is located at one of the many posts they supposedly trained at, gives you a blank look and the B.S. excuse-"oh, what I did was classified".
This person who claims to be an "NSA Agent", or employee, is one of these people. He/she is a sad, and typical example of a fraud who needs to use, and lay claim to the hard work and intelligence of others in order to boost their nearly non-existent self worth to a point where they somehow, some way, can get the approval they so desperately need, yet never have. But in the end, this futile charade still boils down to one word-FRAUD.
No, iwas quoting formf the public internet about what i supposed to be in the Critic.
I cannot quote form the Critic since it is classified.
No, and I have not discussed the contents of the Critic, only whats stated about it on the public internet.


Nobody is disputing that the NTSB assists in providing requested assistance in a criminal investigation. However, there is nothing in the law that states that they are required to do so.More proof that the NTSB is providing assisitance to the FBI in the criminal investigation of 9/11 (just like flight 800 and all other aircraft crashes that were considered crimes).
They have reports that are available. Try looking again. Other than that, the reports that the made for the FBI have to be obtained from them. Please provide a NTSB report of a criminal investigation. Flight 800 is not one of them and the NTSB was not assisting the FBI. Your own link specifically states that they were parallel investigation. FBI, criminal, NTSB, accident. The NTSB does not do criminal investigations.So again where are the reports we should be seeing?
Key word is request. There is nothing about a requirement by law that you have lied about.http://www.ntsb.gov/Pressrel/2001/010913.htm
WASHINGTON, D.C. - The National Transportation Safety Board is providing technical assistance to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is the lead agency investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11.
At the request of the FBI, the Safety Board has sent investigators with knowledge of aircraft structures and flight recorders to the crash sites in New York, Pennsylvania and at the Pentagon. They are assisting in the search for the cockpit voice recorders and flight data recorders - the so-called “black boxes” - and helping to identify aircraft parts.
I guess i will table the discussion if i can get an answer to the following.
Why are the people on here afraid to talk about this document. Does it really scare you that much that this document will make you wake up to the reallity that something else happened that day then what you were told or that you believe happened?
Ultima, you are a fraud and a liar.
Why are you so afraid to blow the whistle on all this? Why do you have to wait for a "declassified" version?
You say you know the truth, so why are you so scared to put this to rest? (like FDNY firefighters not reporting what they saw).
Actually I don't believe this, I just think your a fraud. Mainly because I can't imagine anyone covering up such an important thing like you (claim) to have.
I see you failed to show that you are intelligent or mature enough to admit that the information i sent proves thast i have a background in the following areas.
1. Aviation
2. Law Enforcement
3. Data Collection and Analysis
I have posted my LES before and it was not accepted just as you did not accept the information that i posted to you.
WHY ARE YOU AND OTHER SO AFRAID TO ADMIT THAT I AM WHO I SAY I AM?
The speculation on the internet about what it says does not count because you and 16.5 are the only individuals who have actually, as far as I can tell, made a concerted effort to request an unclassified copy of the document;
You are constantly accusing others of being immature, Ultima, in this very thread. So do you care to show that you can act mature enough to table a useless discussion until the physical evidence is in hand or not?
Nobody is disputing that the NTSB assists in providing requested assistance in a criminal investigation. However, there is nothing in the law that states that they are required to do so.
The NTSB does not do criminal investigations.
But you posted wrong information that, if you worked where you say, would know it isnt even close to being true. Why don't you prove me wrong by telling us all what is untrue about this statement:
Stop being so immature and childish, and provide the proof that you are an NSA analyst.
No they don't. IF they are legitimate, they only show that you took some classes. I imagine any analyst "wannabe" would take them too.The NCS transript proves i am a analyst, its not my fault if you cannot figure that out.
Why don't you know the rules about classified as you said these things which are violations.The NCS transript proves i am a analyst, its not my fault if you cannot figure that out. ...
... This document will show that Flight 93 was intercepted by fighters and possibly shot down.
... i have read the document.
I have authorization to read it. ...
First off the document states that Flight 93 was intercepted ...
... reports of a follow up document which states one of the fighters came back without a missile.
... i have read the document.
... I have read the document ... so i can post it to show an official contridiction to the official story. ...
You have clearly broken COMSEC rules when you said you read the CRITIC and compared it to Internet chatter and talked about the contents; have you reported yourself?I was quoting from the internet, i have read the Critic but cannot quote from it since it is classified. ...
What is there to blow a whistle on?
Well if you knew anything at all you sould know that i cannot post a classified document to anyone, that would be a security breach.
I never stated i know the truth (unlike most believers). I stated i am looking for the truth through research and FOIA request.
Firefighters were the first group to demand a REAL investigation into 9/11.
I hate to tell you but the government covers up stuff all the time. Wake up to reallity.