NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

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funk de fino said:
So, it is a classified document yet you have been discussing its content with faceless internet posters? Content which you say proves that fligt 93 was shotdown?

When I contact your NSA via email and tell them this they will be happy?
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Make sure to tell them about his top secret clearance which allowed him to see this document!

:mglook
 
I know what this will be. It is that report from some loonet tune ex forces who says someone told him that a certain pilot that day shot down flight 93 and that he came back missing a missile.

I cannot remember where it was reported but I remember the claims from some truthy nutter sites.

This must be it. The false claim about the pilot.
 
I bet its something to do with this

Col. Don de Grand-pre first broke the story of the Happy
Hooligans and the shootdown of Flight 93 during his interview on
The Alex Jones Show back in February.
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This nutcase named someone as the guy who shot it down. the paper ultima has seen could possibly be about this false claim.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
I will try to make this simple.

No, all the details are not in one document.

The main document states about the interception of Flight 93.

Supposidly the follow-up documents state that a plane came back without a missile.
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Okay, we're making progress. Let's just focus on this one document you claim to have seen, and are expecting to arrive, okay?

Now, please try to answer a few specific questions about the contents of this document:

Does it clearly identify the type of aircraft that intercepted Flight 93? That is, does it say "F-16", "F-15", or some such clear designation? If so, what type of plane was it?

Does it clearly state that the intercepting plane fired at flight 93?

Does it clearly state what was fired at Flight 93? That is, was it a missile or gun fire that brought Flight 93 down? If it was a missile, does the document specify the type of missile used, such as a Sidewinder?

Does it clearly state the time of this intercept?

Does it clearly state the location of this intercept?

Does it detail what orders were given to the pilot of the intercepting aircraft?

Does it detail any radio communications between the pilot of this aircraft and anyone else, either on the ground or in the air?
 
Totovader said:
the question is whether the document truly states what you claim it does.
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It won't.

This is his MO.

He'll claim that it's proof an intercept/possible shootdown, and no amount of pointing out that his conclusion is wrong will make a dent in his denial. Get used to it if you choose to ask him questions. Personally I gave up on it and have resorted to pointing out his fallacious argumentative style, like above. It's the only profitable road to take with this level of woo.

For a troofer to get banned from ATS should speak volumes, since it is a haven for the woo maniacs. He's supposedly gotten banned from others as well, from what I hear from those that care.

Although I will admit that he didn't post anything that would be considered a bannable, and suspect that he and one of the mods had a disagreement in PM's that got him banned. And I suspect he complained about my pointing out his error-laden argumentative technique to a mod that got him banned since he never responded to my points in that thread. He simply ignored them. Get used to that too.
 
funk de fino said:
I know what this will be. It is that report from some loonet tune ex forces who says someone told him that a certain pilot that day shot down flight 93 and that he came back missing a missile.

I cannot remember where it was reported but I remember the claims from some truthy nutter sites.

This must be it. The false claim about the pilot.
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funk de fino said:
I bet its something to do with this



This nutcase named someone as the guy who shot it down. the paper ultima has seen could possibly be about this false claim.
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Those are likely the "follow-up" documents to which he has also referred.

I'm hoping we can focus on the sole document he is expecting to receive shortly. It would be good to know the answers to the questions I've posted above, so we know what to expect.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
First off the document states that Flight 93 was intercepted (which contridicts the official story that no planes were near Flight 93).

Second their are reports of a follow up document which states one of the fighters came back without a missile.
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Sure buddy cant wait to see these
 
Ok Ok I need to put an end to all this speculation as to Ultima's ban!
Myself and Agent Smith from the LA field office had to, well lets just say one of the ATS mods now has a hard time typing the q,p,z,a,;,'capss lock, enter, or / keys.
 
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Bobert said:
Ok Ok I need to put an end to all this speculation as to Ultima's ban!
Myself and Agent Smith from the LA field office had to, well lets just say one of the ATS mods now has a hard time typing the q,p,z,a,;,'capss lock, enter, or / keys.
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You took away those keys on his keyboard!

Animals.
 
Björn Toulouse said:
Why didn't you just wait until you had this "document" in hand and then post a thread about it? Was it necessary to set up this tease first?
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But of course. 'truthers' hate it when no one is paying them any attention so they have to everything they can to keep themselves in the (internet)public eye.

I mean, if our friend here was to remain silent until his incontrovertible proof that the official account of flight 93 is a lie is handed to him by one of the top intelligence agencies in the US, well, he runs the risk of nobody noticing, right? :cool:
This is like my local TV news when just before they cut to a commercial they show a tantalyzing snippet and say "coming up next" and then 45 minutes later I am still watching and waiting like a mute mule.
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See what I mean? :D
 
Horatius said:
Okay, we're making progress. Let's just focus on this one document you claim to have seen, and are expecting to arrive, okay?

Now, please try to answer a few specific questions about the contents of this document:

Does it clearly identify the type of aircraft that intercepted Flight 93? That is, does it say "F-16", "F-15", or some such clear designation? If so, what type of plane was it?

Does it clearly state that the intercepting plane fired at flight 93?

Does it clearly state what was fired at Flight 93? That is, was it a missile or gun fire that brought Flight 93 down? If it was a missile, does the document specify the type of missile used, such as a Sidewinder?

Does it clearly state the time of this intercept?

Does it clearly state the location of this intercept?

Does it detail what orders were given to the pilot of the intercepting aircraft?

Does it detail any radio communications between the pilot of this aircraft and anyone else, either on the ground or in the air?
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ULTIMA, please address this post.
 
Panoply_Prefect said:
When is this FOIA-request due to be delivered to Ultima? I'm curious.
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We don't know. They have a standard deadline of 20 days, but the letter he posted indicated that they won't be able to meet that deadline because of the volume of requests in line ahead of his. They don't seem to indicate an expected delivery date.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
I have authorization to read it.

Its also been mentioned by a few media groups.

I have a background in law enforcement so i know a litlte about what can be used in court.
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You could not possibly read something that does not exist.
If you were who you say you are you would already be in jail.
The NSA monitors the activity of their agents and you sir defently would raise red flags!
If you are who you say you are you are in direct violation of several laws and I hope you like bracelets as you will have a pair very soon!
Heck you cant even spell!
 
ULTIMA1 said:
First off the document states that Flight 93 was intercepted (which contridicts the official story that no planes were near Flight 93).
Second their are reports of a follow up document which states one of the fighters came back without a missile.
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ULTIMA1
Scholar

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 110
I have not discussed anything classified.



OOPPPSS You might want to rethink your position!
You are busted and I hope you will be going to a safe place very soon!
 
You know, he really hasn't discussed anything classified. Fantasy items that exist only in his fevered imagination are not classified.
 
Well, I lurk here a lot, and I had no memory of this one, so I looked it up.

My google-fu gives me:

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3568.shtml

The NSA CRITIC, according to sources who have seen it, is about five or six sentences, and paraphrasically states:
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“Two F-16s scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base at [likely 1336 Zulu]. Civilian airline hijacked. Over state of Pennsylvania civilian airliner was ‘intercepted’ at (Latitude and Longitude of intercept].”
Several follow-up CRITICs are appended to the first United 93-related CRITIC. One follow-up CRITIC mentioned a possible fifth hijacked plane flying south from Canada that was near the Canadian-U.S. border. Another CRITIC states the plane ‘intercepted’ over Pennsylvania was ‘confirmed civilian.’
On April 16, 2008, WMR reported: “WMR has received another confirmation, bringing the total number to three, that United Flight 93, hijacked on the morning of September 11, 2001, was shot down over rural Pennsylvania by U.S. Air Force jets scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. There are also reports that one F-16 scrambled from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia returned to base minus one air-to-air missile but the National Security Agency CRITIC report specified the interceptors that downed United 93 took off from Andrews.
“The third confirmation, as were the first two, is from a National Security Agency (NSA) source. In fact, a number of personnel who were on watch at the Meade Operations Center (MOC), which is a floor below the NSA’s National Security Operations Center (NSOC), were aware that United 93 was brought down by an Air Force air-to-air missile. Personnel within both the MOC and NSOC have reported the doomed aircraft was shot down.”
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For even more fun, google Wayne Madsen's story. :jaw-dropp

Apparently he's on the run from a hitmen who have been hired by the government to kill him. Good thing he's keeping a low profile.
 
I have had a look at his USAF papers. Look OK to me but I would like to know what aircraft and squadron he worked on during his time and for how long.

Also he claims to have been a police officer for 12 amount of years as well. I would like to know where and when.

I really hope this is not the Donn Grand-pre fake shootdown crap.

If you look at the other forum linked he was busted loads of times
 
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