NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

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beachnut said:
What is the definition of soon?
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I don't think it's quite fair to hold Ultima1 responsible for the grinding gears of government. A non-twoofer filed an identical FOIA request, and got a similar response. When that document arrives, and is found (Inconceivable!) to not mean what Ultima1 thinks it means, that will be soon enough to razz him.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
But i have seen the content, thats why i asked for the specific document.


Ultima, you are saying that you have seen and read this Critic that is being sent to you and that it states that the flight was intercepted by a military aircraft that got close enough to shoot it down?
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Is it possible to have an LSD trip 20 something years after taking it?

This thread is positively surreal in a drug induced sorta way. 17 pages about something that nobody has and little idea what IT, actually, is supposed to show!!!

Let me get this straight. We are supposed to be waiting, with bated breath, for a document that will confirm an interception of flight 93.

A radio interception? A fighter interception? A sighting of flight 93? What, when, where. By whom?

My prediction is it will be:

1/ Loose inference to a radio interception which will then be argued that it means a fighter interception.

2/ Big build-up to a ruse that the original document didn’t say that at all.
Let alone the prospect of all the careful, intricate planning of proposed events being blown apart by sending out confirmation of the fact in a NSA FOIA!

This, of course, is gleefully vaulting over the problems of no supersonic path, FDR, CVR but hell who cares about that huh? They fix all that and then send out confirmation in a NSA FOIA? What?

The whole thing beggars belief.

Now I just have to justify, to myself, why I read this thread at all. May-be it was just the tease factor.

Woof!
 
If you read the thread from ATS you will see he posted by 8-18 08 he has requested info.
we are approaching 12-18-08 and still no info?
Looks like BS to me!
While doing some research I found this to be interesting.......

no one may use without permission from NSA/CSS the words 'National Security Agency', the initials, or seal of the National Security Agency in connection with any commercial activity or in a manner intended to convey the impression that such use is approved, endorsed, or authorized by the National Security Agency.


Seems our friend is in violation of said policy's!

The National Security Agency collects, processes and disseminates foreign Signals Intelligence (SIGINT)

NSA's SIGINT mission provides our military leaders and policy makers with intelligence to ensure our national defense and to advance U.S. global interests. This information is specifically limited to that on foreign powers, organizations or persons and international terroristshttp://www.nsa.gov/sigint/index.cfm



So from this info NSA does not deal with stuff on our soil!
Care to tell m how you have seen something you clearly do not have access to?
I believe that is sufficient to prove our friend here a fraud!
 
doobiedoright said:
If you read the thread from ATS you will see he posted by 8-18 08 he has requested info.
we are approaching 12-18-08 and still no info?
Looks like BS to me!
While doing some research I found this to be interesting.......

no one may use without permission from NSA/CSS the words 'National Security Agency', the initials, or seal of the National Security Agency in connection with any commercial activity or in a manner intended to convey the impression that such use is approved, endorsed, or authorized by the National Security Agency.


Seems our friend is in violation of said policy's!

The National Security Agency collects, processes and disseminates foreign Signals Intelligence (SIGINT)

NSA's SIGINT mission provides our military leaders and policy makers with intelligence to ensure our national defense and to advance U.S. global interests. This information is specifically limited to that on foreign powers, organizations or persons and international terroristshttp://www.nsa.gov/sigint/index.cfm



So from this info NSA does not deal with stuff on our soil!
Care to tell m how you have seen something you clearly do not have access to?
I believe that is sufficient to prove our friend here a fraud!
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I just bumped into an old friend who actually DID work for the NSA. I should poke his brain about this. I doubt anyone working for the NSA would even be allowed to go around touting about the contents of classified documents.
 
doobiedoright said:

no one may use without permission from NSA/CSS the words 'National Security Agency', the initials, or seal of the National Security Agency in connection with any commercial activity or in a manner intended to convey the impression that such use is approved, endorsed, or authorized by the National Security Agency.


Seems our friend is in violation of said policy's!
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I wouldn't say so. I haven;t seen that he making money off this nonsense, so it's not commercial, and do any of us here think anything he has done "convey the impression that such use is approved, endorsed, or authorized by the National Security Agency"?
 
Horatius said:
I wouldn't say so. I haven;t seen that he making money off this nonsense, so it's not commercial, and do any of us here think anything he has done "convey the impression that such use is approved, endorsed, or authorized by the National Security Agency"?
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I can't imagine that anything put forth by Ultima has left the impression of having been approved, endorsed or authorized by the NSA.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
I just bumped into an old friend who actually DID work for the NSA. I should poke his brain about this. I doubt anyone working for the NSA would even be allowed to go around touting about the contents of classified documents.
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Specifically, no one with a security clearance should ever mention that they even KNOW classified information, much less the contents of a classified document, especially on an unclassified medium such as the regular internet. It's why I called BS on Ultima long ago. I've stopped addressing him, however, because it was pointed out to me (and I in turn pointed it out to others on this board) that simply by engaging him we were ourselves committing a minor breach of OPSEC. I've been making an effort to avoid talking except in the most general of terms about things like this ever since. :D
 
I mentioned Ultima's claims to my friend from the NSA and he just laughed not feeling it even worth addressing. But he said:

"The conspiracy theories are funny, but in the intel world, what makes them them even funnier is the fact that people think that we (the government) are that smart, organized, and well funded to spy on everyone, hide aliens, or keep perpetual motion machines or cars that run on water under wraps."
 
Sabrina said:
Specifically, no one with a security clearance should ever mention that they even KNOW classified information, much less the contents of a classified document, especially on an unclassified medium such as the regular internet. It's why I called BS on Ultima long ago. I've stopped addressing him, however, because it was pointed out to me (and I in turn pointed it out to others on this board) that simply by engaging him we were ourselves committing a minor breach of OPSEC. I've been making an effort to avoid talking except in the most general of terms about things like this ever since. :D
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Indeed! I worked for 6 months as a civilian at a military base on which one building housed an operation that required specific security clearance. I did not have that clearance. I was friendly with several military personell who worked there and asked one of them "What do you do in there?". He said, "I type". That was a short answer so I asked "What do you type?". He looked at me and said nothing. Thinking he did not hear me I asked again and he looked right at me and said nothing, and it dawned on me. This was the epitome of "no comment". He would not lie to me by simply not saying anything further and that the "I type" was probably what he was told he could say when asked what he does andno more.

As far as U1 goes, I would not believe anything he says beyond "water is wet" type of statements, unless I could verify it. His tall tales about working at the NSA are entertaining I suppose.
 
Sabrina said:
Specifically, no one with a security clearance should ever mention that they even KNOW classified information, much less the contents of a classified document, especially on an unclassified medium such as the regular internet.
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Its just too bad that if you would have read my post or done any research you would see that the NSA Critic is talked about on many public websites.

Also it seems strange that only believers like you have a hard time figuring out that i do work where i say i do.
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U1

Could you clarify for me the years and dates that you spent in the Airforce, the police then the NSA? And when you became a fire officer as you have claimed?
 
Ultima,

Besides Wayne Madsen, what other websites are offering information on this critic?

Thank you.
 
funk de fino said:
U1

Could you clarify for me the years and dates that you spent in the Airforce, the police then the NSA? And when you became a fire officer as you have claimed?
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OK here it is again for the 100th time.

1981-1985 US Air Force, Crew Chief.

1986-1998 DoD, Police officer.

1998-pres. DoD, Analyst, also Fire/Safety officer for my organization.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Its just too bad that if you would have read my post or done any research you would see that the NSA Critic is talked about on many public websites.

Also it seems strange that only believers like you have a hard time figuring out that i do work where i say i do.
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Boy am I glad I didn't read this before the personal attack was removed; I'm more than certain I would have responded in kind.

That aside, Ultima, there are numerous people besides me who believe you are full of it in regards to saying you work where you do. Case in point; I recently was responsible for briefing an entire Army brigade (those who are still here and not overseas at least) regarding SAEDA and provided the information for an OPSEC briefing at the same time to another officer in my unit. During the briefing, I gave the background on this situation to them and asked them to name me just one OPSEC violation within the situation. Their response? "Where do we start?" An entire military unit, therefore, is all calling BS in regards to you saying you work at NSA. Most of them have never heard of the 9/11 truth movement.

Also, in regards to the NSA CRITIC you harp on about? I have no doubt that someone somewhere mentioned something about it (although I wouldn't trust a truther website any further than I could spit, but I digress). My issue lies with the fact that you, WITHIN THIS VERY THREAD, have mentioned on more than one occasion that you "saw the classified memo with my own eyes" and intimated, in saying so, that it supported your theory. Thereby disclosing, albeit indirectly and assuming you're telling even the slightest shred of truth, the contents of a CLASSIFIED document.

And you wonder why I call BS on you.
 
Ummm...you received a letter on Sept 12th. It is now Dec 15th.

When is your earth shattering evidence coming again?

I have a list of local media contacts in your area now, so when you do release this evidence, they will be ready for interviews and stuff. I'm sure you'll get your 15 minutes of fame being known as the person to break the 9/11 conspiracy.

Or.....:jaw-dropp
 
Something's been bothering me here, ULTIMA1.

You claim that you have been an NSA Analyst since 1998, correct?
This means that you had been working there for three years prior to 9/11.
That CRITIC would have been generated within a very short time of the incident occurring, assuming that it was given FLASH precedence.

This document, if it exists, has been in existence since 2001. Why are you doing this now, seven years after the fact? Certainly an analyst of your alleged standing with the NSA would have been "read in" to the CRITIC program. You've claimed on other sites to have a TS/SCI level clearance. That's all well and good if you are who you say you are...but having the appropriate clearance level is not the only thing that gives you access to classified material.

Are we to assume that in the normal course and scope of your duties, you "discovered" the one piece of evidence that throws off the entire official story of 9/11? How long have you known about this? Have you been sitting on the "truth" for seven years now?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
OK here it is again for the 100th time.

1981-1985 US Air Force, Crew Chief.

1986-1998 DoD, Police officer.

1998-pres. DoD, Analyst, also Fire/Safety officer for my organization.
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OK, you said you were federal police officer but your NSA transcript shows you have been working for them since you left the AF. Were you military police?

Your transcript says nothing about your fire training either.
 
Sabrina said:
Boy am I glad I didn't read this before the personal attack was removed; I'm more than certain I would have responded in kind.

That aside, Ultima, there are numerous people besides me who believe you are full of it in regards to saying you work where you do. Case in point; I recently was responsible for briefing an entire Army brigade (those who are still here and not overseas at least) regarding SAEDA and provided the information for an OPSEC briefing at the same time to another officer in my unit. During the briefing, I gave the background on this situation to them and asked them to name me just one OPSEC violation within the situation. Their response? "Where do we start?" An entire military unit, therefore, is all calling BS in regards to you saying you work at NSA. Most of them have never heard of the 9/11 truth movement.

Also, in regards to the NSA CRITIC you harp on about? I have no doubt that someone somewhere mentioned something about it (although I wouldn't trust a truther website any further than I could spit, but I digress). My issue lies with the fact that you, WITHIN THIS VERY THREAD, have mentioned on more than one occasion that you "saw the classified memo with my own eyes" and intimated, in saying so, that it supported your theory. Thereby disclosing, albeit indirectly and assuming you're telling even the slightest shred of truth, the contents of a CLASSIFIED document.

And you wonder why I call BS on you.
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Our friend here has one problem he cannot get around.Read this......


The National Security Agency collects, processes and disseminates foreign Signals Intelligence (SIGINT)

NSA's SIGINT mission provides our military leaders and policy makers with intelligence to ensure our national defense and to advance U.S. global interests. This information is specifically limited to that on foreign powers, organizations or persons and international terrorists
http://www.nsa.gov/sigint/index.cfm

Thats all you need to know to call BS on our friend!
 
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