NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

[Bobert]

ULTIMA1 ,
Will there be a DVD or website I will have to purchase/join to view this document?
You should createa a really cool youtube video.
Dylan may be available to do a hip hop track, I hear he is pretty good.

 

[Gavron]

Here's a question- why would ULTIMA1 block out his name on the "response to FOIA request" document, but not in any other document?

That IS curious. I mean, he freely posts his supposed NSA documents, with full name, etc etc...but removed his name after "Dear (blank)".

It's now been 24 days since receiving that letter...guess we'll all soon see what it says, if he even bothers to post the findings. I have a feeling if it dismisses his conspiracy theory, he wont post them.

 

[Gavron]

If you knew anyting about NSAs computer intranet system (which its clear you do not) you would know that i cannot get on the internet from my woek computer.

Thats why i only do it from home.

But there are posts on multiple other forums that are made during times you said you were "at work". One particular forum mentions you logging in/out to view posts during the morning hours multiple times as well, but you claim it was someone else logging in as you.

 

[Mince]

But there are posts on multiple other forums that are made during times you said you were "at work". One particular forum mentions you logging in/out to view posts during the morning hours multiple times as well, but you claim it was someone else logging in as you.

He doesn't work for the NSA. It's so easy to be a professional on an anonymous message board.

 

[The Big Dog]

The NSA confirms the case number, and reports that the FOIA request remains in the queue. It has yet to be assigned to a case worker.

I'll diary for a week and follow up.

 

[Mince]

That IS curious. I mean, he freely posts his supposed NSA documents, with full name, etc etc.

This is also curious. I wonder if he's using an actual NSA agent's identity to misrepresent himself on the internet. Could you post his information? I'd like to do a bit of research.

 

[Horatius]

I applaud your efforts; you have laudable patience.

However, in my view you are playing a game of cat and mouse with Ultima1 where both of you believe yourselves to be the cat. Its a lose-lose situation; you've accomplished nothing when you've bested a fool.

This thread will go on for 10 more pages... but in the end there will be nothing posted we haven't all seen before.

...or there will be nothing posted at all.

That may be true. Indeed, it's true for almost everyone who posts some sort of woo-belief here at JREF. However, if we were to accept your reasoning, we shouldn't bother trying to correspond with any of them. But then, what would be the point of having this forum at all?

I see this as somewhat akin to the MDC negotiations: I'm trying to get a clear statement as to what this alleged document is supposed to contain, so that if and when it ever arrives, we'll have some sort of a basis for comparison. And so far, it seems I've established more actual info as to its alleged contents than anyone else has, so even if I ultimately fail, I've at least had some success - which is more than is usual with truthers these days.

 

[chillzero]

This is also curious. I wonder if he's using an actual NSA agent's identity to misrepresent himself on the internet. Could you post his information? I'd like to do a bit of research.

If it's not publicly available, don't post it here.

 

[madurobob]

That may be true. Indeed, it's true for almost everyone who posts some sort of woo-belief here at JREF. However, if we were to accept your reasoning, we shouldn't bother trying to correspond with any of them. But then, what would be the point of having this forum at all?

I see this as somewhat akin to the MDC negotiations: I'm trying to get a clear statement as to what this alleged document is supposed to contain, so that if and when it ever arrives, we'll have some sort of a basis for comparison. And so far, it seems I've established more actual info as to its alleged contents than anyone else has, so even if I ultimately fail, I've at least had some success - which is more than is usual with truthers these days.

Yes, I think its clear what you are trying to accomplish and its a worthy goal and again I salute your efforts.

But, I don't think the purpose of the forum is to help people perpetuate their delusions, but rather the help them cast off those delusions with sound reasoning and evidence (or, perhaps prove to us we're the deluded ones). Some are willing to discuss freely and post their "evidence", some are not. So, it becomes a matter of degree - at what point do you give up on a poster who offers no evidence yet continues to make wild claims? For some that point has passed for Ultima1. You, however, keep slogging away.

I wish you success.. but have low expectations.

 

[Gavron]

If it's not publicly available, don't post it here.

Chillzero,

It was publicly available on another forum, when he posted all his contact information on a thread. However, I will defer to your judgement...

 

[applecorped]

Where is that protocol? Oh, sorry wrong person, wrong thread.

 

[Mince]

If it's not publicly available, don't post it here.

Oh, absolutely not. However, Gavron did say ULTIMA1 "freely posted" the imformation. That is all I'm asking for...a link to the posted information.

 

[Horatius]

Yes, I think its clear what you are trying to accomplish and its a worthy goal and again I salute your efforts.

But, I don't think the purpose of the forum is to help people perpetuate their delusions, but rather the help them cast off those delusions with sound reasoning and evidence (or, perhaps prove to us we're the deluded ones). Some are willing to discuss freely and post their "evidence", some are not. So, it becomes a matter of degree - at what point do you give up on a poster who offers no evidence yet continues to make wild claims? For some that point has passed for Ultima1. You, however, keep slogging away.

I wish you success.. but have low expectations.

My expectations are my own. As for ULTIMA1, he is doing something that other truthers never seem to do: he's actually gone out and asked for the piece of evidence he believes exists, and he has some small reason to expect that this evidence will actually arrive. I understand he's had a history at other fora, but I've never dealt with him before, and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I may ultimately be shown to be too optimistic, but it's still more interesting than hashing out all the other nonsense one more time.

As for perpetuating delusions, that's a complicated question. What happens if, as most of us expect, the documents he receives don't show what he thinks they will? Perhaps by getting some clear answers out of him now, we will be in better position to show him he is deluded once we see the whole document. Without that info, however, we would just be back at the "you can't read, you nut!" stage of the argument - and do you really think that argument will convince him?

It's a low probability event that my approach will have any useful result, but low probability is better than no probability, IMO.

And if nothing else, ULTIMA1 at least has something new for us to look at, even if only for a short while.

 

[chillzero]

Chillzero,

It was publicly available on another forum, when he posted all his contact information on a thread. However, I will defer to your judgement...

Oh, absolutely not. However, Gavron did say ULTIMA1 "freely posted" the imformation. That is all I'm asking for...a link to the posted information.

No - no - that's ok.
I haven't followed this soap opera elsewhere. If it's publicly available, that's absolutely ok.
(links will be best to ensure we know how to handle anything that might be reported)

 

[Seymour Butz]

Here's a question- why would ULTIMA1 block out his name on the "response to FOIA request" document, but not in any other document? On his "military training" document and on his "NSA training" document his name is clearly visible...

All the sudden within the last few months he decided to start removing his name from these documents after he already posted his name in others- and continues to link to those other documents?

I suspect that ULTIMA1 has used the identity of someone else for some of his documents.

Naaah, when he first put up the FOIA request at ATS, it had his name and address on it, until everyone pointed out to him how stupid this was.

Which of course proves how very, very ill he is....

 

[Gavron]

split from: NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted comming soon

ok, this thread, he gives his name, military transcript, and school transcript:
http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showpost.php?p=2164763&postcount=56

Also, a simple google search of his name and Pennsylvania shows his address, phone number, etc etc...all which is discussed in another thread as well.

 

[e^n]

ULTIMA may have removed his personal information from the FOIA request on my advice. It was not originally removed.

I have not personally verified his credentials in any way, but if I remember correctly the FOIA request was addressed to a name suffixed with Jr. It's possible ULTIMA is abusing a father's details, but this is pure speculation and it would likely be an invasion of privacy to continue onwards.

Regardless of his credentials, we can simply wait the two weeks or so until his request is due, and it should be interesting to see what is returned.

 

[Totovader]

Oh, absolutely not. However, Gavron did say ULTIMA1 "freely posted" the imformation. That is all I'm asking for...a link to the posted information.

Verifiying his home number.

Verifying his identity as Roger Misner (717) 624-2925 9 Walnut Ln,New Oxford, PA 17350

My work number is 410-854-1127

Link

I have a Top Secret clearence.

Link

I was a federal police officer (with TOP Secret Clearence) for 12 years. As i have proven to other members on here, you can ask them if my documents are for real.

The last 10 years i have been a analyst with NSA (with multi level Top Secret Clearence). As i have proven to other members on here, you can ask them if my documents are for real.

Link

As stated a lot of times before i used to be a NSA police officer, but now i am an analyst.

Also as stated many times i have a Top Secret Clearence.

Link

The information i pubish and send out is classified.

Link

And, in case anyone questions his veracity- he's willing to pay people $1,000 to verify his identity... which seems rather odd... (link)

Additionally, he has posted several documents related to his identity- in some he attempts to hide that identity, and in others he openly offers it and even challenges people to call him.

I make no promises to the accuracy of this information- but there doesn't seem to be any contention at all that this is the same individual.

 

[e^n]

Verifying his identity as Roger Misner (717) 624-2925 9 Walnut Ln,New Oxford, PA 17350

I have checked through my cache, and located a copy of the FOIA request without his name and address censored. I can confirm that the name on this document is Roger Misner Jr. The question is now whether this is the name on transcripts etc he has posted.

I don't know whether the Jr suffix is typically removed, but I am intrigued as to whether ULTIMA is in fact the son of a NSA analyst. This would explain the transcripts posted, as well as the general illegibility, conflicting claims over work times etc.

I am aware this is personal information, and may fall foul of the rules here, if so I apologise.

 

[Totovader]

I have checked through my cache, and located a copy of the FOIA request without his name and address censored. I can confirm that the name on this document is Roger Misner Jr. The question is now whether this is the name on transcripts etc he has posted.

I don't know whether the Jr suffix is typically removed, but I am intrigued as to whether ULTIMA is in fact the son of a NSA analyst. This would explain the transcripts posted, as well as the general illegibility, conflicting claims over work times etc.

I am aware this is personal information, and may fall foul of the rules here, if so I apologise.

I just want to be clear- the name he has given matches the FOIA request- including the address?

I just can't get over the fact that he's supposedly an analyst and he doesn't seem to care at all about protecting his identity. Huge red flag.

I don't know how the mods want to handle this- but maybe this discussion should be taken (or even just handled) by the mods to another spot... I'm tempted to verify his information myself, but only if no one else has already done it... I've searched through a lot of the threads in other forums that he's posted in and with the exception of one claim, it appears that nobody has really called these numbers or spoken to anybody... ironically, if they had they probably couldn't post any information about it...