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NPR vs O'Keefe

Upchurch said:
what are you referring to?
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You know my method. Read the original reference, compare it to the JREF postings, note the discrepancies or comment to bring some reality into the discussion.

Pretty simple.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Please provide one example.

I'll grant you that he uses logical language, but he doesn't do so accurately. It probably appears to be a fair analysis to those who don't know anything about logic.
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Now that would exclude all the mean spirited, bitter, rancid, far left commenters on this thread, and many in this on line community, who specialize in personal smears and innuendo, without any pretense of facts required.

This thread I think (and unlike Ben I don't rat to the moderators) is headed for Abandon All Hope, since it reflects poorly on the organization, and I cease posting at this time.

Cheers!
 
mhaze said:
Now that would exclude all the mean spirited, bitter, rancid, far left commenters on this thread, and many in this on line community, who specialize in personal smears and innuendo, without any pretense of facts required.

This thread I think (and unlike Ben I don't rat to the moderators) is headed for Abandon All Hope, since it reflects poorly on the organization, and I cease posting at this time.

Cheers!
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Yeah I didn't think you had anything. Take care.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Yeah I didn't think you had anything. Take care.
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Sure, you too.

I'll move on to threads where people are not focused on discussion about about beating conservative people up and putting them in intensive care.

Maybe we can chat again sometime.
 
mhaze said:
You know my method. Read the original reference, compare it to the JREF postings, note the discrepancies or comment to bring some reality into the discussion.

Pretty simple.
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No, I was asking what logical fallacies O'Keefe pointed out in that transcript.
 
mhaze said:
Sure, you too.

I'll move on to threads where people are not focused on discussion about about beating conservative people up and putting them in intensive care.

Maybe we can chat again sometime.
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Somehow I knew you'd post in this thread again.

Some people get scared when they're asked for evidence. Your attempt to deflect attention has been noted.

But why am I even saying this? You're not posting in the thread any more.
 
I have read postings on various sites alledging that some of his victims have recieved death threats and serious harrassment. He deserves anything bad that happens to him.
 
leftysergeant said:
I have read postings on various sites alledging that some of his victims have recieved death threats and serious harrassment. He deserves anything bad that happens to him.
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No. No, he does not. No one deserves violence or threats of violence.
 
applecorped said:
You're implication is clear. Don't hurt yourself backpedaling.
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A Laughing Baby said:
No. No, he does not. No one deserves violence or threats of violence.
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Yeah...I don't know about violence per se. (That is to say, because, yes, the people on these boards are sufficiently stupid that I actually have to spell it out: no, violent vigilantism is not warranted). But let's not forget we're talking about an individual who has ruined and is continuing to try to ruin people's careers through deliberate, premeditated misrepresentation.
 
Right. He deserves to be discredited, laughed at, ridiculed, his arguments picked apart, etc. But saying "someone needs to hurt him" is a frightening, hypocritical sentiment and does nothing to strengthen any position.
 
BenBurch said:
No, but I feel confident that somebody is *going* to hurt him if he persists. People don't take well to having their reputations ruined by a fraud.
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Ben, just stop it please. You are so far overboard. From the rules of the membership agreement -

You will not post anything that demonstrates a clear and present danger to the welfare of another person, or otherwise tends to create alarm or apprehension that the welfare of any person is in imminent jeopardy.
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(Such posts will be moved offline and referred to the appropriate authorities.)
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mhaze said:
Ben, just stop it please. You are so far overboard. From the rules of the membership agreement -

You will not post anything that demonstrates a clear and present danger to the welfare of another person, or otherwise tends to create alarm or apprehension that the welfare of any person is in imminent jeopardy.
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(Such posts will be moved offline and referred to the appropriate authorities.)
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Nonsense. He is expressing an opinion, not inciting or inviting violence. If the mods interpreted the rule as you have, most people would be in violation in the Japan thread.
 
mhaze said:
I cease posting at this time.
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Seeing as how this turned out to be a blatant lie, how about you go ahead and provide an example of O'Keefe's use of, as you put it, "correct technical language... to describe the logical fallacies of his opponent." Or, at least, admit that you can provide no such example.

The alternative would be that you feel that intellectual and moral dishonesty go hand in hand.
 
I like that O'keefe published the ful unedited version and the edited version. Its his scapegoat. Any questions about the edited version can be brushed aside by saying he posted the full version as well, very clever.

He claims the edited version is no different than what any other journalist does. While all media is certainly edited I can think of no instance where all the raw material is published along with an edited version. O'keefe points to "catch a predator" as similar to his 'editorial' choices. Yes this show is edited but the producers have never, to my knowledge, also aired the full raw tape. O'keefe can deflect to the raw footage while knowing that the weekend with everyone talking about the edited one will have a much greater impact.
 
applecorped said:
Whether the question is considered legitimate or not by some, the question stands.
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Others are willing to comment, except the person it was directed towards. Perhaps this is because he truly does wish to see o'keefe in the ICU.
 
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