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No, you're right in that respect. My point was that EHIC doesn't provide routine health care, just emergency treatment. Even then, if you've been present for a long time (I think it's 18 months) then a sharp hospital employee might realise that even your EHIC cover has expired.

If you needed a substantial course of therapy (say) you'd have to pay for it or return home to get it, unless you have S1 cover. (EHIC also covers Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein).

Yes that is what I thought, I used EHIC when I mean't S1 cover which is certainly what a lot of expats particularly the elderly or with a disability are worried about losing because of Brexit.
 
This would have to be from an individual country rather than the EU. The UK certainly has this, do other countries not?

ETA: They surely do. France offers permanent residency after 5 years.

Maybe I'm confused and you're talking about movements within the EU?

No, maybe it's just this lovely place where I am that doesn't offer it, then. It was like a sword of Damocles all the time (now semi-retired and giving the one finger salute.)
 
I understand that, my friends have been involved recently in trying to get work visas for very highly skilled and qualified Indian and Russian staff in Belgium and have not succeeded. This is a very difficult issue including now having to bear the full costs of various insurances that were covered under our membership of the EU.

It would certainly make the skill shortage in my industry harder. We have had to wait 6-months for work permits for some new starters from outside the EU before now. As far as I recall, we have to advertise the vacancy by putting a card up in the local jobcentre. Given that we are after highly qualified people with relevant doctorates, and experience, this isn't very fruitful.

ETA: About half my immediate colleagues are immigrants, mostly EU nationals who have studied in the UK at postgraduate level and then got a job here.
 
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It would certainly make the skill shortage in my industry harder. We have had to wait 6-months for work permits for some new starters from outside the EU before now. As far as I recall, we have to advertise the vacancy by putting a card up in the local jobcentre. Given that we are after highly qualified people with relevant doctorates, and experience, this isn't very fruitful.

ETA: About half my immediate colleagues are immigrants, mostly EU nationals who have studied in the UK at postgraduate level and then got a job here.

It's really hard to see how such a scheme, where it's more difficult to recruit people with the right skills and/or wages are driven up because of skills shortages will make the UK more competitive on the world stage :rolleyes:
 
Indeed, The Don.

The lower pound is a short term benefit though, as a lot of our manufacturing costs are in sterling and we sell in dollars - even in the EU.

ETA. I find it ironic that the mos prominent pro Brexit economist was proclaiming that there'd be a hit in manufacturing, but the UK's supposedly world-class service industries would somehow be immune*. The finance industry seems to be taking a bit of a hit, even before anything is negotiated. It's almost as if he was lying, or mistaken.

I don't think Brexit is a price worth paying to reduce the pernicious influence of the City of London though.


*Despite many being more mobile than manufacturing - for example, our automotive customers would still need a second source that they have approved and qualified. That is neither quick, nor completely straightforward, so even if we left the EU, there is reason to suppose it would be difficult for our owners to close our factory soon. My industry is also very capital intensive.
 
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No, maybe it's just this lovely place where I am that doesn't offer it, then. It was like a sword of Damocles all the time (now semi-retired and giving the one finger salute.)

Which country is it that doesn't offer permanent residency? I'd be very surprised to learn of it.
 
It's really hard to see how such a scheme, where it's more difficult to recruit people with the right skills and/or wages are driven up because of skills shortages will make the UK more competitive on the world stage :rolleyes:

Because it will allow us to make Britain great again. £350m a WEEK! And immigrants something something.
 
This supposed advantage to exports of the low pound is double edged.
A lot of materials and components are imported snd paid for in dollars.
 
This supposed advantage to exports of the low pound is double edged.
A lot of materials and components are imported snd paid for in dollars.

Indeed. And as my industry is highly capital-intensive, it will even out more than one where wages are a higher cost. However, in the short term, it means that this year is one of the best for our part of the business - about $200M a year turnover, and with very small sales differences between massive profits and losses (the capital amortization is so much and other fixed costs are such that you need to get say 90% factory loading to break even and above that you rake in money). That is why many semiconductor companies are fabless, so that fabs in Taiwan (TSMC) can do the manufacture for them.
 
Voters in France, Germany, Spain and Italy are more likely to say the UK should be offered a tough Brexit deal, rather than favourable terms, according to a survey that reveals the gulf in expectations between Britain and the continent.


39% of French people think the EU should offer the UK unfavourable terms, compared with only 19% that wanted a favourable deal. This pattern was replicated in Germany, Italy, Spain and Belgium, albeit with those wanting tougher terms having a narrower lead.

Unsurprisingly, Britons were the most likely to say the EU should offer a good deal (56%), although a striking minority (16%) thought the EU should offer unattractive terms. In contrast, only a quarter of voters in Spain, Italy and Germany think the UK should get favourable terms, a factor that is likely to influence national leaders as they prepare for divorce talks with the British.

More.
 
Wouldn't it be in the interest of the entire region to offer the UK terms designed to strengthen their economy and establish them as a healthy trading partner?

Not necessarily. No. It is the interest of the region (EU minus UK) to get the best term they can get out of the UK. No more.
 
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They probably won't try to negotiate terms that in their own economic interests.

They'll want to strike a balance between:

  • Terms that are in their own best economic interest.
  • Terms that are seen to punish Britain, so as to deter other countries from leaving.
 
39% of French people think the EU should offer the UK unfavourable terms, compared with only 19% that wanted a favourable deal. This pattern was replicated in Germany, Italy, Spain and Belgium, albeit with those wanting tougher terms having a narrower lead.

Doesn't that just imply that 60% don't want unfavourable terms to be offered? The biggest group is the lot in the middle.
 
The poll also revealed mixed feelings about Britain’s decision to leave. Almost half of Swedes (48%) reported feeling sad about Brexit, a proportion only exceeded by Britons, where 49% were sad – a near-perfect overlap with remain voters. The French were the least likely to shed a tear: only 25% said they were sad about the result.
Who would not have bet on that? :cool:
 
Not necessarily. No. It is the interest of the region (EU minus UK) to get the best term they can get out of the UK. No more.
The best terms for the EU are those which benefit it most. The state of the UK economy and the ease of trade are necessarily part of the calculation. This isn't a zero-sum game, after all.
 
Wouldn't it be in the interest of the entire region to offer the UK terms designed to strengthen their economy and establish them as a healthy trading partner?

Surely that depends on whether the particular EU country want parts of that economy to leave the UK and set up their business in their country. After all Ireland, Germany and France all want some part of the financial services market and many other sectors to leave the UK and relocate to their financial or other sectoral districts. So why offer any deal that would make that sectoral move the least attractive option.
 
"The UK jobs market suffered a dramatic freefall in July, with permanent hiring dropping to levels not seen since the recession of 2009," said Kevin Green, the chief executive of the Recruitment and Employment Confederation (REC), which sponsors the survey.

However, Mr Green said it was important not to jump to conclusions from one month's data.


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Wondering whether the term "dramatic freefall" leads one to start drawing conclusions
 
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