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Francesca R said:
What? You must be joking.
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No.

Francesca R said:
I think it's a safe bet that the UK would never have voted to leave the EU were it not for Farage. "Role in the exit process" does not mean at the bargaining table........
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The only thing left for him to do was to sit on the sidelines claiming all the credit. No, he had no conceivable role, given that head rabble-rouser was no longer required.
 
MikeG said:
I'd love to think there was a way back for Hague. He got the leadership much too young, and would have been great in the job now. I thought him a really excellent Foreign Secretary.
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I agree, which is pretty hard to say as I watched the young Hague's creepy speech at the Con conference way back in time.
 
GlennB said:
Looks like the #2 in the Tory leadership election is moderately nuts. Thank the FSM she's only junior energy minister.

Bring back William Hague, or someone. Anyone. Ken Clarke?
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Less of the moderately I think.

She sounds absolutely delusional.

I can only think that she has also decided she doesn't want to accept responsibility for the turd in the middle of the room and has decided to feign insanity as her get-out.

So far we have had:

Bojo: A naughty dog did it. I'm off.
Gove: It can't have been me, I don't know how to do that
Farage: I did it but you can clean it up haha!
Leadsom: Wibble!

And roughly 52% of the population trying to convince themselves it's really chocolate.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Less of the moderately I think.

She sounds absolutely delusional.

I can only think that she has also decided she doesn't want to accept responsibility for the turd in the middle of the room and has decided to feign insanity as her get-out.

So far we have had:

Bojo: A naughty dog did it. I'm off.
Gove: It can't have been me, I don't know how to do that
Farage: I did it but you can clean it up haha!
Leadsom: Wibble!

And roughly 52% of the population trying to convince themselves it's really chocolate.
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I thought Leadsom did it for her kids to clean up.
 
Francesca R said:
That you personally cannot conceive of a role does not mean /well I am sure you don't need me to finish that.

I trust you'll accept your claim of exaggeration on my part . . . Was an exaggeration.
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And yet, not a single word in support of your claim that he had a potential role. I'll take it that "He had a role because I say so" is your line of argument, unless you can come up with something better.
 
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Yeah sorry and all I am not going to do your conceiving for you.

Nice attempted sidestep from argument from "I can't conceive it even though the bloke has had an influential role in brexit for over a decade".
 
It's seems *very* easy to conceive of a role for him - there's a range of possible leave outcomes, including keeping free movement of citizens between the UK/EU (as part of staying in the single market). This is presumably not what he's been working towards. So why not campaign against this? I can even suggest a slogan for him: "Out means out!"

I find it hard to understand how anyone can honestly believe that Farage's `work is done' at this point.
 
Oddly it was me who wrote "work is done" but tongue in cheek and more to say "bottling out".

MikeG then, oddly, asserted from incredulity that Farage's work actually was done. Whatever.
 
Francesca R said:
Yeah sorry and all I am not going to do your conceiving for you.

Nice attempted sidestep from argument from "I can't conceive it even though the bloke has had an influential role in brexit for over a decade".
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And his ongoing role from here would be...............?

The snide increases as the answers decrease. I think I've asked 3 times now: what role could Farage possibly have from now on in Brexit?
 
MikeG said:
And his ongoing role from here would be...............?

The snide increases as the answers decrease. I think I've asked 3 times now: what role could Farage possibly have from now on in Brexit?
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I suppose he could snipe from the fringes, reminding the negotiators that the UK voted for ... er ... 'stuff', and not what's being proposed ?? Control over immigration from the EU, for example, when the deal on offer includes free movement.

Then everybody could ignore him, which is what they should have done in the first place.
 
Of the 5 Tory leadership candidates you might well think that only one is fit to stand in the next election.

Fox - disgraced in 2011 and resigned from the Cabinet.
Crabb - devout Xian, family man, now facing disgrace after allegedly (so far) 'sexting' a woman half his age.
Gove - the name is enough. To 'do a Gove' will become part of the political vocabulary.
Leadsom - semi-nutter

Where do they get them from?
 
GlennB said:
Of the 5 Tory leadership candidates you might well think that only one is fit to stand in the next election.

Fox - disgraced in 2011 and resigned from the Cabinet.
Crabb - devout Xian, family man, now facing disgrace after allegedly (so far) 'sexting' a woman half his age.
Gove - the name is enough. To 'do a Gove' will become part of the political vocabulary.
Leadsom - semi-nutter

Where do they get them from?
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Links. We need links.:D
 
Debrett's semi-nutter catalogue! What's that when it's at home? Don't worry, I'm off to Duckduckgo-it.
 
Argumemnon said:
Look, this shouldn't be a topic that invites so much personalisation. To summarise:

A) The people of the UK have the right for self-determination. If they decide that the EU is no longer favourable for them, for whatever reason, then they should have the ability to vote to leave, especially since they are already a sovereign nation. But the two reasons that I find compelling are:

1) That the EU's democratic system is unsatisfactory.

2) That the UK should have a greater control over its laws and regulations, and immigration policies.

None of this is controversial, unjustified or illigitemate, and insisting that they are caused by ignorance and xenophobia is foolish, and shows an unwillingness to understand other people's viewpoints and reasoning.

I wanted to discuss these reasons and the future of the UK and EU following the vote, but that seems impossible because most posters have already made up their mind, cannot abide by differing opinions, and appear to need to dismiss the opposition rather than engage them in civil debate.
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See, the problem the above runs into is that it doesn't attribute everything that's wrong with the U.K./world/what have you to Brexit. There always needs to be a scapegoat for bad stuff, and Brexit is just the newest entry on the list. Previous entries on the list include rock music, comic books, and video games.
 
Corsair 115 said:
See, the problem the above runs into is that it doesn't attribute everything that's wrong with the U.K./world/what have you to Brexit. There always needs to be a scapegoat for bad stuff, and Brexit is just the newest entry on the list. Previous entries on the list include rock music, comic books, and video games.
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Nonsense. Brexit is being attacked for cogent reasons, and its opponents are in general using sound and considered arguments, which this post of yours is emphatically not.
 
I have an idea.

The half of England and Wales that wanted to stay should all move to Scotland
 
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