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Did they? And how do you know it was Gove that reneged on the deal, from the leaked email I would say it was looking like if there was a deal it was Boris that was looking like not keeping to a supposed deal.

Plus again why did Boris think he should be the next PM and not Gove?
 
In other, rather fantastic, news. Farage has quit.

BBC said:
Nigel Farage says he is standing down as leader of the UK Independence Party.[...] and said he would not change his mind about quitting as he did after the 2015 general election.
more here
 
In other, rather fantastic, news. Farage has quit.

more here

I think the only appropriate response to this would be "ROLFMAO" or something like that.

You don't quit after you've achieved your preliminary goal if you have anything remotely resembling a plan for your victory. The conduct of the Brexitard camp is looking more and more like populism and demagoguery for the purpose of securing well-paying jobs to their leaders and less and less as an actual alternative for the UK.

I thank Nigel and his fellow Brexitards for demonstrating this for all the world to see. In retrospect throwing your country under the Titanic like this may not be the best course of action, but at least your mangled corpses will serve as a warning to other idiots across the continent.

Incidentally, what is the prescribed penalty for treason in the UK? The traditional hanging, drawing and quartering, while just and appropriate for these people, was probably abolished by now, no?

McHrozni
 
Incidentally, what is the prescribed penalty for treason in the UK? The traditional hanging, drawing and quartering, while just and appropriate for these people, was probably abolished by now, no?

McHrozni
That's one that remained on the books technically till quite recently. You know why it was abolished? To keep us in line with the EU.

If we leave the EU and ECHR, I guarantee we will be having a death penalty referendum quite soon.
 
I am suggesting here that the present Government will have a problem if the price of Brexit is a larger public sector. If these experts conclude that immigration cannot be controlled and that we will still need to pay a contribution to the EU.

Please try and break your posts into paragraphs, it makes them much easier to follow.

We can control immigration and not pay monies to the EU by outright leaving the EU and not caring about the "common market" or negotiating a Norway type of EEA deal.

Whether that's the best course of action or not, requires investigation and people to do some sums. For example, when Obama visited the UK he cautioned against leaving the EU and said it might put the UK 'to the back of the queue' for trade deals. Now it looks as though the EU US trade deal has hit the rocks somewhat as if the UK isn't part of the EU anymore that throws a spanner into the works. So the reverse might turn out to be true.

Reuters said:
"The 'back of the queue' statement will be forgotten by the next administration, if not sooner," said Gary Hufbauer, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute of International Economics. "In my view, TTIP is either dormant or dead in the wake of Brexit."

It may be easier for Washington to negotiate a bilateral trade deal with Britain, a "like-minded" country that is more open to free trade than the 27 remaining EU members, said Miriam Sapiro, a former deputy U.S. Trade Representative.
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So, if, the UK were to quit the EU entirely and leave the common market, but then shortly thereafter strike a trade deal with the US, then we've closed one door but opened a different one. Which door is more profitable?

If we do leave the EU common market, then there still remains possibilities to strike OK deals with the EU. The UK has a large trade deficit with the EU, and while collectively they might not notice a few % loss in their economy, individual countries might well be hit quite hard, and those countries could lobby the EU to get it an acceptable deal. If we leave the common market we'll lose zero tariffs, but we could still get 'pretty low tariffs' especially if we come to a compromise on migration. We could get "lowish" tariffs, in exchange for "freeish" movement of people perhaps.

There's a world of opportunities out there and we don't have to tie up our economy with that of our closer geographical neighbours to access them. Just because we've done that for the past 40odd years, doesn't mean we should continue to do so.
 
No one wants to clean up the mess.

Funny

I think it's more of a question of ability than wish. Clearly there was no plan at all for a Brexitard victory. The only exception were - surprise! - the Germans who presented their proposals within 8 hours of results being announced. If Farage and Jonhson and their colleges were more than unscrupulous populist hyenas, they would reply in kind.

Instead ... reality speaks for itself.

McHrozni
 
We are unlikely to withdraw from the ECHR as it forms a part of the Good Friday Agreement.

In other news, the construction industry tanked in June with the largest drop for some years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36701273

Be interesting to see if there is any recovery in July after moves by the BoE and Treasury to improve confidence in the markets and reassure investors.
 
So, if, the UK were to quit the EU entirely and leave the common market, but then shortly thereafter strike a trade deal with the US, then we've closed one door but opened a different one. Which door is more profitable?

This is a question that would have to be clearly answered before the referendum was even called. Asking about it now is really just sour grapes. Americans have already explained their answer, it's really pitiful to see Brits only now asking the question at all.

McHrozni
 
This is a question that would have to be clearly answered before the referendum was even called. Asking about it now is really just sour grapes. Americans have already explained their answer, it's really pitiful to see Brits only now asking the question at all.

How can such a question be clearly answered pre-referendum?

The POTUS was on record as saying 'back of the queue' before the vote and now since the referendum events have overtaken that.

According to the IMF in 2015 The top 3 countries ranked by nominal GDP are the US, China and Japan (the EU as a whole is about the same as the US)

There are only 4 EU countries in the top 10, Germany, the UK, France and Italy, in that order. (India, Brazil and Canada being the other 3 top 10 countries)

We could in theory strike good trade deals with China Japan and the US that could completely offset the loss of EU trade and then some.

It'll take time to work deals out, and in the short term there'll be economic upheaval, but there's a whole world out there.
 
Another one who wants to abdicate responsibility. Wonder if this resignation will stick?
I wonder if the continental MEPs are "laughing now" in the EU parliament. I imagine they are. Farage, BoJo, Gove; all vanished, or in the process of vanishing. Meanwhile the two major Westminster parties are imploding, and the former Dear Leader is awaiting with trepidation the possibly adverse verdict of the Iraq report.

The machinery of state is collapsing before our eyes. What can possibly happen now to complete the process? Over to you, Nicola!
 
How can such a question be clearly answered pre-referendum?

The POTUS was on record as saying 'back of the queue' before the vote and now since the referendum events have overtaken that.

It clearly was answered, but the British weren't even ready for the question.

We could in theory strike good trade deals with China Japan and the US that could completely offset the loss of EU trade and then some.

In theory, if you have stuff to offer them, if you have competent negotiators to strike the deals, if EU wouldn't strike a similarly beneficial deal, the deals could eventually leave the UK on top.

I find it rather funny when I see comments about how strong UK economy is, implicating it would be able to negotiate from the position of strength, as if the EU wasn't five times stronger.

It'll take time to work deals out, and in the short term there'll be economic upheaval, but there's a whole world out there.

Short term damage could well be catastrophic, and it's effects long lasting. The UK could realistically lose a large portion of it's vaunted finance sector. This business won't be back easily, and it would conceivably take a decade or two to simply replace it. Right now UK is undertaking rather desperate measures of cutting it's already low corporate taxes and the like to keep the business in Britain. This money will either have to be loaned and repaid with interest, or taxed from other sources. It's hard to see how British people could be better off in the foreseeable future of 20-30 years.

Beyond that predictions can be very vague at best.

McHrozni
 
That's one that remained on the books technically till quite recently. You know why it was abolished? To keep us in line with the EU.

If we leave the EU and ECHR, I guarantee we will be having a death penalty referendum quite soon.
Do you seriously think politicians would trust anything to a referendum in the UK ever again?
 
I had a very interesting trip to London yesterday and today. Mrs Don and I went to Hyde Park to see Carole King and stayed in a hotel near Paddington.

I was wearing my "Migration is not a crime" T-shirt and (I guess) as a result, several members of the hotel staff asked me about Brexit. They all hoped that we wouldn't go ahead with Brexit and were very concerned about their futures. Now perhaps there are legions of British people wanting hospitality industry jobs with unsociable hours who are being kept out of jobs by these young Europeans but IMO thanks to these young, skilled and motivated Europeans British customer services is unrecognisable.

I number of young people commented favourably on the T-shirt druing the concert too. It seems that those young Londoners really do have a different view of immigration.
 
Despite the confusion of many the ECHR is not an EU institution
I assume that's why Rat separated them. Though technically abandoning the ECHR would require the UK to leave the Council of Europe.
 
Now Farage has gone - Will nobody who dragged us into this thing stand up and take responsibility ?
 
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