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Only the EU Commission can negotiate your free trade deals if you're a member.

Which is a problem because...?

Only the EU Commission can decide whether or not you can grant tax breaks or state aid if you're a member. When the banking crisis happened, it took weeks of dealing with the EU Commission before we could bail out Northern Rock and other stricken banks.

This is actually a good thing if you happen to believe the Soviet way or running the national economy was a bad idea. If you don't you really shouldn't be commenting on these things anyway though.

In 1991 EU Directive 91/440 was created to make it a legal requirement for independent companies to be able to apply for non-discriminatory track access (running powers) on a European Union country's track.

Which is a good thing.

British Rail was broken up, costs went up, quality of service went down.

That one is on the UK, not EU.

The main problem the UK has is that too many people are too dumb to analyse the EU, and buy whatever pro-EU BS is offered to the by Europhile politicians.

No, the problem is as I described it.

Most of our trade is with the rest of the world despite tariffs.

Numbers, please. Well over half of British imports are from the EU, and around half of all exports are. What is your definition of "most", anyway? Unless it means a minority, you're flat-out wrong.

Because of the EU we cannot do bilateral free trade agreements with other countries.

Yup, that's an actual disadvantage of the EU membership.

Now show this disadvantage is bigger than the advantage of the single market and negotiating deals as a huge economic bloc, which is one of the three largest and most advanced economies worldwide.

Good luck! :D

McHrozni
 
British Rail was broken up, costs went up, quality of service went down.
British Rail was sacrificed on the alter of Tory Ideology.
That you would even try to claim the EU had anything to do with the butchery of the railways has to be a joke.
 

So what? We are stopped from doing things that the government doesn't want to do anyway and shouldn't do even if it wanted to.

So what ?
One of those deals is with Morocco, a country which illegally occupies Western Sahara and created walls and sandberms and minefields to control the indigenous Saharawi people. I don't want tariff free trade or any trade with a human rights abusing government.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/morocco/index_en.htm

What has this got to do with the price of eggs? One of you benefits was that we could sign trade deals. Now you want to dismiss the value of trade deals? You don't think the UK government wants to trade with Morocco?

One of those deals is with South Korea. The worlds #11 economy. The Canada one is almost done. The Turkey one is done. Mexico one is done. That's #15 and #18. Vietnam is almost complete - a market with huge potential. Mercosur, China, India, Japan and NZ all are work in progress.

Not to mention that if we don't join the EEA in line with public opinion that we want to control our borders then we also lose France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Scandanavia, Switzerland, and Eastern Europe.

But hell let's tear all that up because Morocco something something that we don't even have to use if we don't want to.
 
British Rail was sacrificed on the alter of Tory Ideology.
That you would even try to claim the EU had anything to do with the butchery of the railways has to be a joke.

German railways are 100% state owned, for example.

It just goes to show how appropriate the derogatory term "Brexitard" really is.

McHrozni
 
You have provided evidence of expenditure by Norway, but insufficient evidence that those expenditures are totally mandatory.

Show me Iceland's individual contributions. Show me Leichtenstein's individual contributions.
I showed you the sum total for all three EEA/EFTA countries, not just for Norway. You could have seen that if you'd read my link.

And really, do you need proof that they're required?

The EEA Grants:
WHY THE GRANTS

Through the European Economic Area (EEA) Agreement, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway are partners in the internal market with the 28 EU member states. We also share common values and responsibility with other European countries to promote equality of opportunity, tolerance, security, environmental sustainability and a decent standard of living for all.

Ever since the establishment of the EEA Agreement in 1994, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway have provided funding to reduce social and economic disparities in the EEA.
Do you think they provide this funding out of the kindness of their hearts?

And the EU Programmes:
The EEA Agreement ensures participation by the three EEA EFTA States (Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway) in a number of EU programmes.

The participation of the EEA EFTA States in EU programmes is a vital part of their integration in the Internal Market and a key instrument for cooperation between the Members States in a wide range of areas.

Article 78 of the Agreement states that the EU and the EEA EFTA States “shall take the necessary steps to develop, strengthen or broaden cooperation on matters falling outside of the four freedoms, where such cooperation is considered likely to contribute to the attainment of the objectives of [the] Agreement, or is otherwise deemed by the Contracting Parties to be of mutual interest”. This mutual obligation is fulfilled by the EEA EFTA States’ participation in EU programmes.
Clear enough, I'd think.

Show me where in the EEA treaty it "requires" financial contributions to the same level as EU membership costs.
I never said so. I estimated what the UK contribution would be if it were an EFTA member, by linearly extrapolating by population size what the current EFTA members contribute, That came in the same ballpark as what the UK pays now.

Show me an alternative to the EEA treaty.
What???

You're the Leaver here. It would have been incumbent on you - and not now, but two months ago - to show an alternative to the British population, in order to show a viable alternative to EU (or EEA) membership.

EU membership is off the table because of the referendum. Going against the refendum would gravely damage British democracy.
Well, then leave.

You know, I'm 50 and I've been following this since the days of Mrs. T and her handbagging of the other EC leaders and her "I want my money back". Ever since, every British PM has been acting as a petulant child in the EC/EU and complaining that they're still paying too much into it, and that they don't want to participate in Schengen because it brings rabies, and don't want to participate with the Euro because the vaunted Sterling is still world currency, and don't want to participate in the Social Charter because British employers must be able to exploit their workers like in the days of Marx and Engels. And so on and so on. And ever since, there's been this constant droning voice in British politics, in both major parties, that they want out again.

You know, I'm totally sick of it, and to Mrs. T, and Boris and Farage and you I say: good riddance, don't let the door hit you in the face on the way out. And at the same time, I feel sorry for the many rational thinking Brits who understand that their future lies with further cooperation with the continent, and with people like The Don who now must fear going out of business because of this utterly foolish decision.
 
In other words, you have exactly as much power to choose your own ministers as you have to choose your own MPs. Yet UK has no democratic deficit, but the EU has for that reason.

It is a huge case of "do as I say, don't do as I do".

If EU was as democratic as UK, we would have a live hereditary emperor with limited power, and a commission partly nominated by party which won election partly with hereditary inheritance/religious denomination.

But y, it is the EU so it is evil. But when it is UK, it is fine.
 
According to the latest edition of Private Eye, the department in charge of Brexit has managed to recruit 30 people with the word "Director" in their job title but exactly zero of the 300 or so skilled negotiators that they need. :rolleyes:

Of course as comedian Dara O'Briain pointed out, skilled negotiators don't come cheap because they are exceptionally good negotiators, especially on their own behalf ;).
My information is that the three departments involved (the Department for Exiting the European Union, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Department for International Trade) are far too busy with infighting and empire building.
Which, of course, may be the whole point...
 
Well, they still have a couple of months to find the rest. I'm sure they will be able to, but will probably be somewhat lacking in the quality of required skills.
Yeah, it's be the dumping ground for the mediocre, lazy and unemployable.
 
My information is that the three departments involved (the Department for Exiting the European Union, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Department for International Trade) are far too busy with infighting and empire building.
Which, of course, may be the whole point...

Probably also busy trying to find a way to push the failure of "negotiating term exclusively good to UK" onto EU again. Those meany...
 
Wikipedia says otherwise.
Clearly you haven't done your homework.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Germany

I did my homework fine, but you may have issues with literacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bahn

Owner Federal Republic of Germany (100%)


Specifically, lack thereof.

German railways is a name of the company, which you apparently took to to mean all rail transport in Germany, even though there was no indication or reason for that.

Your apology ?

You'll have to help me out here a bit - how do you call a Brexitard who is functionally illiterate?

I apologize for not calling you that.

McHrozni
 
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