Note to democrats and republicans, the President is not Hitler.

EGarrett said:
I didn't cherry pick your point. I'm disputing the very first fact-based claim you made in this thread, which was wrong and based on lack of knowledge. You can't make claims based on faulty premises. So if you retract that claim or acknowledge that you don't actually know what the Libertarian Party stands for and/or were making claims without doing your research, then I'll be happy to continue and look at your other claims. In the meantime we're stuck on the very first fact-related claim you made.
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Oh bull crap. I didn't make a fact-based claim regarding the Libertarian Party's laundry list of GOP dropouts, I made a hyperbolic claim that you've latched on to and focused on instead of actually addressing my actual point that you've completely left out other groups who are doing the same crap you're criticizing, and my implication that you've left those groups out because you self-identify with them.

You're just playing a red herring to avoid hubris, EGarret. You know this.
 
EGarrett said:
Were you wrong about what Libertarians believe?
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No, I was wrong about it being in the party bylaws. I showed a link of a Libertarian using a freaking GOP argument, for crissakes.

Go ahead and keep riding this red herring, EGarrett. After all, you don't have to admit anything. In fact, that you're being so adamant about not addressing the point I came in here with and instead are focused on the sidebar is pretty much making my point for me: that the premise in your OP selectively ignored the same BS coming from the party you self-identify with.
 
Okay, so we've established that you make claims about the libertarian party without actually knowing what the party believes.

With that being said, how can you make any worthwhile argument regarding what the libertarian party is equivalent to?
 
Ahh, so you're not going to actually address my criticism of your OP.

Splendid. I bother to give you a little in the hopes you might reciprocate, and you just turn right back around into the red herring. Great job, dude.
 
quixotecoyote said:
Without too much of a derail, the Tea Party has too many wacky-*** theocrats to be synonymous with libertarianism.
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Agreed. "Reason" and "Liberty" the 2 big Libertarian magazines, have been blasting the Tea Party movement for some time.
As for the Libertarian Party,the LP is a joke among many Libertarians for it's ineptness went it comes to actually getting people elected. Many prominent Libertarians don't care for the LP much.
 
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Starthinker said:
As one from Mason City, where the Hitler billboard was removed, I can say it created quite a stir here, unfortunately my son supported it and I tried to talk with him about it and he's no longer speaking with me. It's strange times we live in.
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To quote Mason City's most famous son:

"You got trouble my Friend,
You got trouble right here in Mason City".
 
PixyMisa said:
Buzz buzz buzz...

Continued all of Bush's policies and ordered the extra-judicial killing of a US citizen.

Even for me that last rates a hmm.
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It takes a while to dismantle 8 years of a theocracy. ;)

But on a serious note, while I'm not happy with the slow pace of change, I'm not sure yet if it is because Obama is indeed the same as the old boss, if it is because he doesn't have the power to change the system, or if there is just so much to do it can't all be undone that fast.

Time will tell.
 
dudalb said:
Agreed. "Reason" and "Liberty" the 2 big Libertarian magazines, have been blasting the Tea Party movement for some time.
As for the Libertarian Party,the LP is a joke among many Libertarians for it's ineptness went it comes to actually getting people elected. Many prominent Libertarians don't care for the LP much.
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This is a bit of a derail, but blaming the Libertarian Party for not getting people elected strikes me as unfair criticism. As has been discussed many times before, winner take all systems make the existence of two dominant parties almost inevitable. The two dominant parties will tend to be driven less by ideology than the smaller parties because the way the two dominant parties get and maintain power is by creating as large an ideological range as possible thereby maximizing the size of their membership.

If the Libertarian Party even wanted to make a tiny stab at actually winning a significant amount of power it would need to stake out an ideological range large enough to do that. But that is very unlikely to be a successful strategy for a third party because the Republicans and Democrats already do that. So the Libertarian Party, like all third parties, is destined to remain small. It needs to be distinctive enough that people who support libertarian ideas might join it, but not so distinctive that people with a wide range of ideologies wouldn't want to join. I think that is essentially impossible. So the Libertarian Party like all small parties in the US is probably destined to remain a small party with a tiny fraction of the power of one of the major parties.
 
It has always seem to me that those who would equate Obama and Hitler or Bush and Hitler (though I admit I've come close to doing the latter in heated discussions back in the day...hyperbole getting the better of my logic) know very little about Obama or Bush and know even less about Hitler and Nazism.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It takes a while to dismantle 8 years of a theocracy. ;)

But on a serious note, while I'm not happy with the slow pace of change, I'm not sure yet if it is because Obama is indeed the same as the old boss, if it is because he doesn't have the power to change the system, or if there is just so much to do it can't all be undone that fast.

Time will tell.
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Is the theocracy being dismantled? Obama's only objection to gay marriage seems to be his Christian beliefs.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I find that liberals do not think in much granularity. Simular sounding ideas get blurred together as being the same idea. For example "Obama is Hitler" is not the same as "Obama is like Hitler" and those are not the same as "Some of Obama's ideas are like some of Hitler's ideas" etc. No two people are "the same".

You can say that Obama is nothing like Hitler because Obama would not have tried to slaughter the jews. But that is too simple and shows a grade school level of observation.

Nazi stands for "National Socialism" and that is precisely what we are currently living in thanks to the current direction of the Obama Administration.
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Nazi economic policies were not that different from economic policies of the rest of Europe at the time. If that is what you mean by "Obama is Hitler", then you could just as easily say "Obama is Charles de Gaulle". Degree of resemblance is about the same.

So why don't you? For some reason it does not have the same ring to it?
 
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Actually, if they really wanted to make a point about Obama, it would be that Obama is Clement Atlee.
 
headscratcher4 said:
It has always seem to me that those who would equate Obama and Hitler or Bush and Hitler know very little about Obama or Bush and know even less about Hitler and Nazism.
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Yes, yes, yes, but I am still allowed to say Limbaugh is Goebbels, right?
 
GreNME said:
Seriously, EGarrett, you don't maintain that Libertarians or Tea Party members haven't compared Obama to Hitler, right? I mean, after I've shown an example of a Libertarian doing precisely that,...
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I'm not sure I understand what this is supposed to prove. "I've shown an example of a Libertarian doing precisely that". Really. An example. Is the argument that this is in some way characteristic or representative of some group or other? If so, then clearly teachers are pedophiles, doctors are murderers, astronauts attempt murder, anarchists practice scrotal inflation, and marines 'do it' on the beach.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Is the theocracy being dismantled? Obama's only objection to gay marriage seems to be his Christian beliefs.
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I said things were not moving fast enough to suit me. I'm hoping as Obama gets more experience he grows a pair.
 
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