Nostradamus Centuries X

This sort of cuts to the heart of the matter. Why couldn't Nostradamus or any of his myriads of credulous followers make any useful predictions that would help us avoid tragedy? Why did he "code" it so that it could only be understood after the fact? They didn't know about the tsunami, the destruction of New Orleans, the assassination in Lebanon or anything. Each of these things could have been mitigated by information from a reliable source.

I hate to add fuel to the fire and I may not be the first person to make this point. But, from the standpoint of a critical thinking exercise, how can you make specific predictions about the distant future without creating a paradox?

For example, let's say I'm Nostradamus and I predict that my next door neighbor's son, Pierre, kills 10 people, 20 years from now, August 3rd at 8:52pm. Now, let's say little Pierre thinks I'm an old dingy bat and forgets all about my amazing prophecy. He ends up killing 20 people of course, and now, people realize that I'm psychic due to my precice prediction. The problem now, is that any other prediction I make is now doomed to fail because everyone expects it to be true.

For example, let's say that I predict that Adolf Hitler writes Mein Kamf and invades Poland. Well, who in the Hitler family would want to name their child after a monster? In addition, even if Adolf is now named Jonny, would he want to take the risk of ending up dead, in a ditch, on fire after knowing that my predictions are accurate, even though his name may be different?

The case for natural disasters is a little bit more strange. Let's say I make a prediction about the Tsunami occuring just as it did. Now everyone knows that I can predict the future, they move away from the area or are evacuated weeks, months, years in advance. Now why would a natural disaster that claims no lives be important enough for me to forsee? Its not like I get visions about Joe Smith writing out his grocery list, I only see relatively important things. But by having the vision, I cause it to no longer be important or relative enough to recieve the vision.

So, it would seem that any large scale prediction, after an initial correct prediction, would have to be vague until after the predicted action occured to be able to remain true. Therefore, any successful prediction, after the first correct one that others recognize, would be completely useless.
 
I think Nostradamus was the equivalent of David Icke today! You have to be on some weird plane/drugs to make any sense of it! ;)
 
Okay, 2006, I'm not sure what exactly will happen, I'd have to really read more Nostradamus from the 1999 starting point and see where that takes me and see if it goes to 2006.
How do you propose to do this? Perhaps in your zealous aspirations to conduct a thorough investigation of the multi-faceted deep implications and messages of Centuries, you forgot to read the preface, which is a letter from Nostradamus to his son in which he quite clearly states that the prophesies are not in chronological order. Although I expect you would have no trouble finding links to the preface itself, the less time-constrained reader may be interested in knowing that Nostradamus also stated that his work comprises prophecies from the current date, 1555, to the year 3797. Also, says that he does not predict the end of the world.

Reading from one quatrain to the next, each quatrain may be a prophecy of any time within this over 2242 year span. Using extremely limited references to dates, writing in non-chronological order, using vague and metaphorical references, and wiring over 1000 quatrains to cover prophesies of over 2000 years allows for great variances of interpretation and therefore little chance that any one quatrain can be proven explicitly false. Which is nice, if you want to puff yourself up as good prophet.

However, the very lack, and even intentional lack, of substances within the prophecies that provides for defense against falsity, by virtue of lack of verifiability, similarly provides for defense against accuracy by the same virtue of lack of verifiability.

Not only can you not read the quatrains in chronological order, you cannot, by the very nature of the work, prove either positive falsity or accuracy. This is excellent for fabrication of grandiose speculations, but utterly worthless for practical application.

Acknowledgement of the difference between that which surrenders to interpretation or manipulation to justify a predetermined prediction and that which predicts outcomes in controlled and repeatable environments to test a hypothesis can be a difficult line to draw, but one well worth drawing.

“I am not saying, my son - mark me well, here - that knowledge of such things cannot be implanted in your deficient mind.” – Nostradamus, 1555
 
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So, Nostradamus made very vague quatrain and "secured" them by telling their are in chronological disorder. He made sure there is no way to check them except after the fact, and somebody as clever as nostradamus would knew you can adapt anything vague enough to any prediction (read : astrology for example). In other word the perfect hoax. I can perfectly see Nostradamus smirking/grinning forever in his tomb ;).
 
So, Nostradamus made very vague quatrain and "secured" them by telling their are in chronological disorder. He made sure there is no way to check them except after the fact, and somebody as clever as nostradamus would knew you can adapt anything vague enough to any prediction (read : astrology for example). In other word the perfect hoax. I can perfectly see Nostradamus smirking/grinning forever in his tomb ;).
Yes. Read the preface. He did it on purpose.

In fact, if you read the preface you will find that he was smart enough to come right out and say (I'm interpreting or generalizing a bit here, but not much) that the reason he didn't write in chronological order, and the reason he wrote everything in confusing words was so that no one would be able to understand what his predictions were before they happened and thereby disrupt God’s plan, but would only understand them once they had happened.

How’s that for a retro-fit? A prophet gives you a bunch of gobbledy-gook, and tells you that you cannot use it interpret it or predict any future event, but over the next 2000 plus years you will be able to retro-fit some of it to some event that has already happened. Not only did he cover not being wrong, he covered arguments that he could not be proven wrong. How can you be a better prophet than that?
 
Many things have been predicted by prophets in the past. Some are no longer valid, some are

One thing is sure, is that all the most accurate prophecies and prophets all talked about today and this time period
 
Many things have been predicted by prophets in the past. Some are no longer valid, some are

One thing is sure, is that all the most accurate prophecies and prophets all talked about today and this time period

And that doesn't make you suspicious? Why would "all the things that have been predicted by prophets" concern the present day? What is so special about today? Is it not possible that this is a case of shoehorning, and we tend to fit data to current day as that is what we know?
 
No, not all prophecies are now "interpreted" by the public, some are still known in their original forms

The amount of prophecies from different cultures all pointing to today really is significant.
 
No, not all prophecies are now "interpreted" by the public, some are still known in their original forms

The amount of prophecies from different cultures all pointing to today really is significant.

Care to name a few?
 
Hopi prophecy
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html
http://www.clearwisdom.net/eng/2000/nov/20/scf112000_1.html
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2000/11/21/6096.html
http://www.rexresearch.com/usa/usaproph.htm#us7
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/Grandcanyon.html

Mayan Calander
http://www.crystalinks.com/mayancalendar.html

Edgar Cayce
" Cayce predicted that the so-called "Battle of Armageddon" described symbolically in the Bible would begin in 1999. Cayce foresaw that this "battle" will not be a war fought on earth. Rather, it will be a spiritual struggle between the "higher forces of light" and "lower forces of darkness" for 1000 years of earth time. The reason for this struggle is to prevent souls from lower afterlife realms from reincarnating to earth. By preventing souls from the lower afterlife realms from reincarnating to earth, only enlightened souls will be permitted to reincarnate. The result will be 1000 years of building a world of peace and enlightenment. After 1000 years, souls from lower afterlife realms will be permitted once again to reincarnate to earth. By this time, the so-called "kingdom of heaven" will have been established on earth."

^^^ And this ties in exactly with Nostradamus' 1999 prediction

so that where there has been
those of a frigid or the semi-tropical will become the more
tropical, and moss and fern will grow.
And these will begin in those periods 58 to 98 when these will be proclaimed as the periods when His Light will be seen again in the clouds.

That may depend upon much that deals with metaphysical as well as what people call actual or in truth! There are those conditions in the activity of individuals, in line of thought and endeavor that will keep many a city or land intact through the application of spiritual laws in their association with individuals. As to times of earth changes, as to seasons, as to places, alone is it given to those who have named the name and who bear the mark of His calling and His election in their bodies. To them it shall be given."


http://wrightworld.net/edgar.htm

Question: What is meant by "the day of the Lord is near at hand"?

Answer Cayce: That has been promised through the prophets and sages of old, the time and half time has been and is being fulfilled in this day and generation. Soon there will again appear in the earth that one through whom many will be called to meet those that are preparing the way for his day in the earth. The Lord, then will come, even as you have seen him go.


Edgar Cayce was repeating the DSS, but they weren't found until after he died
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/scrolltranslation.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/essenes.html


Neil Young Lyrics are based on visions and meditations
"I was lyin' in a burned out basement
With a full moon in my eyes
I was hopin' for a replacement
When the sun burst through the skies "

"Thinkin' about what a friend had said,
I was hopin' it was a lie
Thinkin' about what a friend had said,
I was hopin' it was a lie "

"Well, I dreamed I saw the silver spaceships flying
In the yellow haze of the sun
There were children crying and colors flying
All around the chosen ones
All in a dream, all in a dream
The loading had begun
Flyin' mother nature's silver seed
To a new home in the sun
Flyin' mother nature's silver seed
To a new home in the sun"


Mr. Li Hongzhi
http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2002/5/20/22253.html
http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2001/7/30/12636.html
http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/us_east1999.htm
Question: In the future, will anyone carry on after Master to continue spreading Dafa?

Teacher: After this is done it will be over. You are at the juncture of a transition in the cosmos. After the Fa-rectification is over, the future humankind will develop anew. They won’t know about Dafa, but they will know that something like this occurred in history. As to the principles of this Dafa, they won’t see a single word of them. When their new civilization has been established, there will be new Buddhas, Daos, or Gods coming down to the human world to save people, so the beings in the future will also hear the Buddha Fa. Perhaps at that time in the Western society a God like Jesus will again come to the human world. Those things will happen in the new era, and have nothing to do with you

also, this will really be the most magnificent age and sight the world has seen, an unprecedented time, in the not so far future-
http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-6-18/29565.html
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Thoth was the top Egyptian God, but actually an Atlantean. He was Hermes, Jesus Christ, Adam in other lives. After the destruction of Atlantis he and his soul mate Atlanteans went around the world, to Egypt, Pyranees, the Yucutan, and finally Tibet. He and Atlanteans set up proper monastaries for cultivation, and helped raise all kindred human spirits trapped in this plane, to at least the current human body level and the current human body was established I beleive. He put the knowledge and mysteries of enlightenment into secret oracles such as the Tarot card, making it hard to understand by many people, and only the most sinscere would find the way. I Ching and Kabbalah are also related to this I think. In this way the skills, methods, and teachings of Atlantis could be preserved until today.
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald14bw.html

"Preserve them and guard them,
hide them in symbols,
so the profane will laugh and renounce.
In every land, form ye the mysteries.
Make the way hard for the seeker to tread.

Thus will the weak and the wavering be rejected.
Thus will the secrets be hidden and guarded,

held till the time when the wheel shall be turned."


http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html

"Now give I the Key to Shamballa,
the place where my Brothers live in the darkness:
Darkness but filled with Light of the Sun
ODarkness of Earth, but Light of the Spirit,
guides for ye when my day is done."

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald15bw.html
 
So there can be no doubt that all major prophecies written through the ages, were all written for today and this magnicificent era
 
So there can be no doubt that all major prophecies written through the ages, were all written for today and this magnicificent era
Yeah. Major prophecies. Like the prophecies in the Bible, especially those about a Jewish savior. That must be total nonsense.

Maybe I've painted myself into a corner here...:boxedin:
 
So there can be no doubt that all major prophecies written through the ages, were all written for today and this magnicificent era
OK. Out of the corner. I'll fix that for ya.

So there can be no doubt that all major prophecies written through the ages, were complete crap. Some were written written for today and this magnicificent era. But still complete crap. Some were written for hidden kittens knitting mittens, I'm not kidding. Good riddins. :cool:

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