Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

[DGM]

If you listen to Dan Rather commentating in the video I just posted he confirms the nose-out. He says that the plane 'pierced the building'.

As opposed to "bounced off".

 

[bill smith]

As opposed to "bounced off".

Dan Rather also completed the confirmation by adding early in this video...'virtually coming out the other side '.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSWtnkicIo&NR=1

 

[beachnut]

"nose-out" nonsense exposes delusion believers. Liars who disrespect those who died on 911 and spew lies and make up moronic junk.


I was looking for things dumber than 911Truth nose-out nonsense and I found these rocks.

But I was wrong.


Here is the “nose-out”; wait, there is no nose-out. The nose-out idea was the delusion of a mentally ill person.

Is supporting the nose-out nonsense the act of a traitor, a terrorists apologist, or a gullible person who mistakes delusional ideas for evidence?

 

[bardamu]

And his/her plodding,unintentional humour,reminiscent of a rhinoceros trying to pick up a pea with it's lips is very entertaining.What odds will you give me on Bill answering my question about what happened on 9/11?

Did you find any evidence the hijackers boarded the planes?

(Korans and flight manuals left in parked cars don't count as hard evidence)

 

[beachnut]

The hijackers were on the flights!

hijacker DNA was found at the crash sites! OOPS!

DNA proof.

The FBI had collected the DNA from tiny traces of skin on the steering wheels of vehicles hired by the hijackers and from hair samples recovered from their hotel rooms.

Earlier this month, the FBI provided profiles of all 10 hijackers, including alleged ringleader Mohammad Atta, so their remains could be separated from those of victims. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/28085i9.stm

Witnesses reported! Proof! (but the 911Lairs known as 911Truth have to say the witnesses who died in the planes are liars; fake, etc. How pathetic is 911Truthers who lie and post delusions?)
Only a few fringe gullible people spew the no hijacker lie off topic in a thread about "nose-out" delusions made up by the mentally ill truth movement failures.

 

[BigAl]

Well readers you must decide for yourself whether Jaydee here is patronising you or not.

In the meantime here is a high velocity steel jacketed bullet not going hrough iron. Note that the return speed of the bullet is probably in the region of the same speed the plane was doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

How do you know the plate wasn't penetrated? You don't.

I've seen the results of ballistic tests of copper-jacketed rifle bullets against steel plate where the core of the bullet penetrated the plate but the jacket was stripped off and sent back at the shooter. It surprised them, too. (and it was turned inside-out.!)

If the speed was comparable, the shooter wouldn't be alive.

In any case, the steel beams at WTC were not perforated, they broke at the joints.

 

[bill smith]

Only explosions:-


At the 9;11 mark in the attached video the commentator says 'the plane went right through the building'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLu8dC2N0s&annotation_id=annotation_696209&feature=iv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC...010A2229&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=41

 

[TruthersLie]

A little earlier I posted this

" In several videos of the penetration and emergence the nose going in and the nose coming out they are the same size. (the micro-precision match) But that must mean that the plane is to small going iin.... 12 feet 3 inces or less when we know that he diameter of a 767 is fifteen feet six inches..''

Here's just such a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSW...DFF7AA01&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=72


Note that whether or not what emerges is the plane nose, whatever it is is exactly the same size and shape as the nose of the plane that went in on the entry side.

But if that was a 767 with the standard 15 feet six inches diameter and it had to squeeze between the floors twelve feet three inches apart how can it be the same shape going in as coming out ?

Shall I repost those videos billy? Really? If you keep spamming this bS, I'll just spam the same answer...

It wasn't the EXACT same shape, it wasn't a precision match. That is a LIE.

 

[TruthersLie]

Did you find any evidence the hijackers boarded the planes?

(Korans and flight manuals left in parked cars don't count as hard evidence)

Did you even bother to read BigAl's response to this kookery earlier? Hey Big Al, will you just repost it for this reading challenged person.

Why do you run and dodge twoof?

provide the simple evidence. It should be easy.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I started argueing against crazy people when I first encountered people on an internet forum who believed that the Apollo missions were faked.

You believe Armstrong walked on the moon???

OK, that's one too many. I'm calling Poe's law on bardamu. That's too much like a direct XKCD reference to be a coincidence (at least, by conspiracy theorist logic it is).

http://xkcd.com/258/

Dave

 

[bardamu]

I invite readers to run the video and note that the shape of the buidings are clear enough, as is the shape of the emerging object. This is clearly no engine or plume of dust as debunkers often maintain.

emember hat a delicate plane went through the 33 well braced 14'' x 14'' x 3/8'' steel box columns on the entry side. So what does the emerging oblect remind you of ?

I just thought of something Twinstead. The distance between the floors of the Towers was I believe 12 feet and three inches. But the diameter of the fuselage of a 767 is fifteen feet six inches...are you with me ?

So would the concrete floors, not have carved off some of the only millimeters thick lightweight aluminium as the plane went in ? And would the emerging plane have looked as it did ?

Bill, this is the side of the south tower where the nose came out:

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-5fd/6-30_wtc2-north-face-exit.jpg

No columns are missing, the windows are 7' 8" tall and 2' 2" wide and the rest is steel. Do you think the nose out is a physical object?

Do I have to show you alan lawsons demolition of Ace Baker yet again?

I've already debunked this video you mention. If you knew anything about the subject, you'd know that the clown's name is Anthony Lawson, not Alan, and his half-hearted attempt to explain away the nose out is directed at Simon Shack, not Ace Baker.

Let me suggest a course of action for you:

1. Watch the video.
2. Try to understand it.
3. Try again.
4. Ask somebody to explain what it means.
5. Get them to tell you whether Lawson is assuming a layer mask, a vertical wipe, or both.
6. Stop linking to a discredited video.

bardamu, you missed the important part of my logic quiz. You replaced "know" with "believe" in your answer. Try using the same criteria to evaluate these things. Post evidence that supports your belief.

You want me to post evidence that flight 11 and 175 existed prior to 9/11. Do you not think I've got better things to do with my time?

Well readers you must decide for yourself whether Jaydee here is patronising you or not.

In the meantime here is a high velocity steel jacketed bullet not going through iron. Note that the return speed of the bullet is probably in the region of the same speed the plane was doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

They must have faked that video, Bill, because the geniuses at JREF say aluminium can cut through steel if it's travelling fast enough.

The hijackers were on the flights!
DNA proof.

Where did they get the control samples? Davin Coburn thinks it's "a question that's not worth answering":

davin coburn from popular mechanics answers 9/11 questions 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb49MfDrwOo

(from 6:50)

He had to cancel all future interviews after that fiasco, although the BBC were happy to use him as an expert witness in one of their Conspiracy Files.

He doesn't fare much better in part 1 either:

davin coburn from popular mechanics answers 9/11 questions 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLx5GATh_z0

In any case, the steel beams at WTC were not perforated, they broke at the joints.

There were no perimeter beams. The wall was made up of sections of columns and spandrels reinforced by floors every 12'.

OK, that's one too many. I'm calling Poe's law on bardamu. That's too much like a direct XKCD reference to be a coincidence (at least, by conspiracy theorist logic it is).

http://xkcd.com/258/

Er, I didn't bring it up. I was responding to a gratuitous reference to the Apollo landings hoax.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Er, I didn't bring it up. I was responding to a gratuitous reference to the Apollo landings hoax.

In exactly the same way as the character in the cartoon. You're a classic denialist; there's no conspiracy theory you don't buy into.

Dave

 

[dafydd]

The hijackers were on the flights!
DNA proof.
Witnesses reported! Proof! (but the 911Lairs known as 911Truth have to say the witnesses who died in the planes are liars; fake, etc. How pathetic is 911Truthers who lie and post delusions?)
Only a few fringe gullible people spew the no hijacker lie off topic in a thread about "nose-out" delusions made up by the mentally ill truth movement failures.

Question answered,now answer mine bardamu,What do you think happened on 9/11?

 

[twinstead]

In exactly the same way as the character in the cartoon. You're a classic denialist; there's no conspiracy theory you don't buy into.

Indeed. He would get clobbered in a debate with experts on the moon landings just like he is getting clobbered in a debate here. You know, we haven't had a good moon landing hoax thread in the main conspiracy area for a while. Maybe bardamu can take a break from "schooling us" abut 911 and start one up.

That would be fun.

 

[bill smith]

Bill, this is the side of the south tower where the nose came out:

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-5fd/6-30_wtc2-north-face-exit.jpg

No columns are missing, the windows are 7' 8" tall and 2' 2" wide and the rest is steel. Do you think the nose out is a physical object?

Putting your picture and this clip (below) together certainly seems to indicate that something is badly amiss. No doubt some debunkers can explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQJ19ysTfU Freeze at 1:20 in fullscreen

7 feet 8'' tall by 2 feet 2 inches wide the windows were you say ? Wow the plane is fifteen feet six inches in diameter. No broken columns either ?

 

[dafydd]

Would you care to answer my question Bill.What happened on 9/11? Enlighten us.

 

[triforcharity]

I can give you a quick resume of what I do know after examining the evidence, but I'm not prepared to fill the gaps in by speculating on things I don't know.

Oh, this 'ought to be intersting......

1. There were explosions in both towers.

Well, yes, but not the kind of explosions you believe.
Do you realize that I can think of 10 things that will explode in a fire? And all of these items can be found in mass quantity in the WTC?

Here are a few.

1-Televisions
2-Computer Monitors
3-HVAC equipment, including compressors and condensors
4-Office chairs with hydraulics to control height
5-Cleaning supplies, including toilet bowl cleaner and floor stripper
6-Commercial toilets

Can all of these be ruled out? No?? Say it ain't so??? So you mean to tell me, that there are 6 things alone that very well CAN and DO go boom in a fire, that would have been readily found in WTC, but they CANNOT be a source of an explosion??

I'll be a monkeys uncle.....

2. A plane was faked live on TV and later more fake plane footage was shown on TV.

Really? Explain where all those plane debris came from, and also, while you're at it, explain what made the sound of your "imaginary" plane that thousands of New Yorkers saw, MYSELF INCLUDED, as it crashed into the WTC?? Care to take a stab??

3. Several eyewitnesses lied about seeing planes and many of these were employed by the TV companies or had close ties with the media.

You're not really presenting this are you??? Please tell me you have been drinking......

So, you're saying that ALL of FDNY was in on it because pretty much everyone from FDNY saw the second plane hit the tower. Are we liars too??

4. Three buildings were demolished.

Yes, but a plane, and lots of fire, and no firefighting. Yes, they were demolished!! You have FINALLY said ONE thing that is true. Wanna try for two?

5. TV coverage of the day's events was guided by counter-terrorism analysts in the studios, such as John Miller, Jerome Hauer, Steven Simon and James Rubin, who laid down the foundations for the official conspiracy theory involving Islamic suicide pilots.

Huh?? Do you have, I dunno, evidence of this extraordinary claim??

Do you think threats count as hard evidence? Why do the FBI say they have nothing on Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks?

What persuaded him to change his mind, anyway?

BBC on 9/11 at 11:55pm:


http://www.911conspiracy.tv/9-11_TV_archive.html

Oh, yeah, because we all know that known terrorists are ABSOLUTLY honest people, and are above reproach......


The stupidity that has spewed forth from your mouth is getting somewhat deep and smell alot like bovine excretement......

 

[twinstead]

bardamu you'd make a great lawyer. What other profession can argue a hopelessly untenable position with such passion and dexterity?

 

[DGM]

Dan Rather also completed the confirmation by adding early in this video...'virtually coming out the other side '.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSWtnkicIo&NR=1

And parts of the plane did come out the other side.

Were these CGI parts?

 

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
The above sounds exactly like what bin Laden wanded to accomplish and what happened on 9/11.

Do you think threats count as hard evidence?

It wasn't just threats. bin Laden directed attacks that killed hundreds of Americans in two US embassies in Africa (1998?) and then the bombing of the USS Cole (2000)

There is plenty of evidence tying bin Laden to the above and more.

Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda Updated 5/22/09

http://911links.webs.com/index.htm

Table Of Contents
[1] NEWS (Jan 2001) Some See U.S. as Terrorists' Next Big Target
[2] (Jan 2001) ObL Tells Reporter that US attacks are comming.
[3] New York Times reports about al Queda about 89 times prior to 9/11/2001
[4] bin Laden quotes
[5] Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology
[6] 1996: bin Laden declares war on America.
[7] ObL attacks on America prior to 2001 listed
[8] Specific attack warnings
[9] Bibliography

Al Qaeda Now - Understanding today's terrorists - Ed. by Greenberg
9/11 Comission Report Ch. 6.3
The Commission - The Uncensored History Of The 9/11 Investigation by Shenon, Philip
Messages to the world; The statements of Osama bin Laden translated by Bruce Lawrence
Congressional Report for Congress; Al Qaede: Statements and Evolving Ideology
The Power of Nightmares VIDEO (3 parts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares
The Shadow Factory - The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 by Bamford
PBS Nova Spy Factory
Ghost Wars by Cole
The Looming Tower - Wright
The bin Ladens by Cole
Spying Blind by Amy Zegart.
​

[10] 1998 ObL Fatwa calling for attack on the US
[11] Complete 9/11 timeline
[12] Answer to "bin Laden not wanted by FBI"
[13] US Government "Wanted" poster for biin Ladem
[14] KSM's indictment document


[1] -------------------------------------
NEWS: Some See U.S. as Terrorists' Next Big Target
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jan/13/news/mn-53626
Bin Laden Is Said to Be at Center of Loose Web
By John-Thor Dahlburg
January 13, 2000 in print edition A-1
...
U.S. and European authorities say that at the center of
this web, which has been loosely spun from the Philippines
to North America, is Saudi militant Osama bin Laden. A
former Afghan moujahedeen, or holy warrior, the 43-year-old
Bin Laden is on the FBI's 10-most-wanted list for allegedly
sponsoring the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya
and Tanzania that killed 224 people.
In a development indicative of Bin Laden's esteem among his
brothers in arms, after the United States succeeded in obtaining a

U.N. Security Council resolution in October demanding
bin Laden's extradition from Afghanistan, GIA leader Antar Zouabri
issued a letter that condemned the West for persecuting
Islamic militants and that vowed reprisals.

French officials said Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian national arrested
Dec. 14 in Washington state on suspicion of plotting a bombing in
the United States, received his military training at one of Bin Laden's
camps in eastern Afghanistan.

According to the French, the 33-year-old North African belonged to
the "Roubaix gang," a band of armed robbers of Algerian, Bosnian and
French origin who trained in Islamic camps in Bosnia-Herzegovina and
carried out a series of holdups in Belgium and northern France in
early 1996.

Judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere, one of France's top anti-terrorism
investigators, says a flexible, diffuse and worldwide structure
makes Muslim extremism a growing problem that demands more
intense cross-border cooperation.
In the space of one month, the French judge's investigations took
him as far afield as Canada and Australia.

"The Islamic extremist threat is the Internet of terrorism," Bruguiere said.
[2] ---------------------------------------------------------------
June, 2001: ObL Tells London reporter "attacks are coming.
June 21st, 2001: Bakr Atyani, a reporter for Saudi
Arabian owned broadcaster Middle East Broadcasting
Corp. meets with Osama bin Laden and his aides
in a desert area of Afghanistan. According
to Atyani, "Bin Laden seemed happy with the talks
of his aides who said that the coming weeks will
hold important surprises that will target American
and Israeli interests in the world."

June 22nd, 2001: The US State Department
issued a "Worldwide Caution" regarding the risk of a
terrorist attack by extremist groups. It specifically
mentioned groups with links to Bin Laden and his
Al Queda organization as possible sources for the threat.

June 22nd, 2001: US military forces throughout the
Persian Gulf were put on a heightened state of alert.

June 22nd, 2001: A U.S. Marine Corps
contingent in Jordan cut short its training session and
returned to its ships.
June 22nd, 2001:
U.S. 5th Fleet sent its ships out of port in Bahrain.
June 23rd, 2001: Middle East Broadcasting Corp reported
that followers of Bin Laden were planning an attack
on American and Israeli interests within the next few
weeks. Bakr Atyani's interview with Bin Laden is a
featured report.
June 24th: Taliban officials responde
http://archive.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=7743
Described in Bamford [9] Starting on p.16

[3] ---------------------------------------------------------------
"al Queda" was first mentioned in the NY Times on
August 28, 1998 and an estimated 89 times prior to
9/11/2001. A computer at any library can be used
to find all the stories by searching the NYT archives.

[4] -------- bin Laden quotes-----------------------------------
http://iraqwar.org/binladenquotes.htm
[5] ---------------------------------------------------------------
Congressional Research Service
Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology
Updated July 9, 2007
Christopher M. Blanchard, Analyst in Middle Eastern Affairs
- http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32759.pdf
...The third and "ultimate objective," according to
Al Adl, (*) "was to prompt [the United States] to come
out of its hole." Al Adl claims that Al Qaeda wanted
to provoke the United States into attacking areas
of the Islamic world associated with the
organization and its affiliates. In doing so, Al Adl
claims, Al Qaeda hoped to make it easier to attack
elements of U.S. power and to build its "credibility
in front of [the Islamic] nation and the
beleaguered people of the world." Al Adl and others have conceded that the attacks
on New York and Washington were not totally
successful, while arguing that the September 11
attack "was enough to prompt the Americans to carry
out the anticipated response" - namely direct military action
within the Islamic world. ...In December 2004, Bin Laden identified the conflict
in Iraq as "a golden and unique opportunity" for
jihadists to engage and defeat the United States,
and he characterized the insurgency in Iraq as the
central battle in a "Third World War, which the
Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic
nation." 24 (*) Al-Qa'ida Leader Sayf al-Adl OSC Report -
GMP2005060637100, May 21, 2005
[6] ----------------------------------------------------
1966: bin Laden declares war on America http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/opf980830a.htm
[7] -----------------------------
ObL Early attacks and aid for attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Militant_activity
[8] ----------------------------------------
Specific attack warnings
http://www.historycommons.org/timel...te_911_timeline&warning_signs:_specific_cases
Spying Blind by Amy Zegart.
Apr 2001, MASSOUD Tells us bin Laden and AQ will attach us "Through Northern Alliance intelligence efforts,
the late commander Massoud gained limited knowledge
regarding the intentions of the Saudi millionaire,
Usama bin Laden and his terrorist organization, al-Qaida,
to perform a terrorist act against the U.S.,
on a scale larger than the 1998 bombing of the U.S.
embassies in Kenya and Tanzania." http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/11/06/massoud.cable/index.html

[9] ------------ Bibliography --------------

Al Qaeda Now - Understanding today's terrorists - Ed. by Greenberg Lots of good ObL quotes
9/11 Comission Report Ch. 6.3
The Commission - The Uncensored History Of The 9/11 Investigation by Shenon, Philip
Messages to the world; The statements of Osama bin Laden translated by Bruce Lawrence
Congressional Report for Congress; Al Qaede: Statements and Evolving Ideology
The Power of Nightmares VIDEO (3 parts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares
The Shadow Factory - The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 by Bamford
PBS Nova Spy Factory
Ghost Wars by Cole
The Looming Tower - Wright
The bin Ladens by Cole
Spying Blind by Amy Zegart.
[10] ------------------------------------------------------------
1998 Fatwa calling for war abainst the US
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a022298fatwaexpands&scale=0#a022298fatwaexpands
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

[11] --------------------------------
Complete 9/11 timeline
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
[12] ---------------------------------------
Answer to "bin Laden not wanted by FBI"
November 6, 2001 the Bush administration handed
such prosecutions over to the DoD and said this
circumvented the 5th ammedment requirement for
indictments
www.usdoj.gov/olc/2001/pub-millcommfinal.pdf
www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1113-07.htm
[13] -----------------------------------------------
http://www.nctc.gov/site/profiles/bin_ladin.html
Usama Bin Ladin is wanted in connection with the
11 September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center
and the Pentagon and for the 7 August 1998 bombings
of the US Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and
Nairobi, Kenya. The embassy bombings killed 224 civilians and
wounded more than 5,000 others. Usama Bin Ladin and
other terrorists—specifically Ayman al-Zawahiri, Fazul Abdullah
Mohammed, Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam, Sheikh Ahmed Salim
Swedan, Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, Saif al-Adel, Anas al-Liby,
Ahmed Mohamed Hamed Ali, and others already in custody—
are members of al-Qa‘ida, the international terrorist network
headed by Bin Ladin.


[14] KSM's indictment evidence

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/d20080509Mohammed.pdf